Loose-Passive Tournament Play

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So tonight I'm going back to the site of my first tournament where the players are super loose-passive. They limp into every pot, I've been looking around for good strageties to beat this and they are all mostly "sit and wait for a premium hand then take them to the cleaners." but this is a tournament where I start with about 30BB and the blinds go up every 20 minutes, so sitting and waiting around isn't going to do me any good. Do you guys have any suggestions?
 
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I think the 20 mins blind level is a lot and the best strategy would be to play super tight especially in the beginning. You can keep chipping away for the first hour and half and then you can change strategy depending on your stack and of course not to mention the players on the table. If i were playing such slow blind level then i would try to take as less risks as i can because i know there is a lot of time and the blinds are going nowhere anytime soon. Try and keep the pot small and not overplay hands like AK and AQ. Good luck.
 
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you have to be very lucky in that kind of tournaments and win many all ins in the early stages.i suggest you to be very tight and play very aggresive premium hands.make big raises like 5X bb or more
 
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suby_rafael said:
I think the 20 mins blind level is a lot and the best strategy would be to play super tight especially in the beginning./QUOTE]

I assume based on the info (starting stack mainly) that its a live game. so 20 minutes live likely equates to about 5-7 minutes online in regards to the # of hands that will be seen meaning it is in deed a turbo tourney with a horrible structure if you only start with 30bb.

Basically 2nd blind level so 20 minutes in you would now have 15bb so not much more than a shoving stack essentially, however TAG is still going to be the way to go against the sounds of the competition. If there are lots of limpers and they are not folding pre to agression you have little choice but to wait for a hand or you will wind up short even sooner than later.

IMO that structure is gross and I don't even know if I would bother playing it lol. Basically hope to pick up a prem hand within the first 30-40 minutes that you can double up on or your likely going to be on your way out the door, just as a general though on it. If it was deeper stacked id suggest possibly join some limping with decent suited connecters and sm-med pp where if you hit a good flop you will likely get paid decent but no point in limping off such a small stack when most of the time your not going to hit the flop and unless you smash it you won't know where you stand.
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yeah, but its free to get into, and if you win you get to play in a regional where the structure is a lot nicer..but i did end up winning! my hand range to raise (open or when limped in to because I was never raised to) was 22+, ATo+, AJs+, KQo+, KJs+. I ended up getting AA, KK on back to back hands and tripled my stack.
 
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Very nice, congrats on the win......the fact that it was free then yeah that helps soften the blow of a crappy structure, and some prem hands back to back will help as well.
 
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yeah...if it's a live tourney with 30bb starting stacks and with 20 mins blinds then this is a pretty horrible structure. it turns into bingo soon enough and so, unfortunately it really does come down to catching cards early and playing them fast.

Usually, in these tourneys I double up or go home fairly early. Don't Cbet much. Don't bluff basically at all. Probably can't afford to make any big laydowns either, even if you feel fairly certain you might be beat, you aren't gonna get a lot of shots to build a stack before you're open shoving with hands like J8o.

set mining is an option if you can manage it with your stack size. But be careful and judicious, because it's easy to bleed off 30% your stack really quick with speculative hands that don't hit.

so...in short I'd play only strong hands, and speculative hands in position with good implied odds. then hope for the best.

just busted out of one of these a couple hours ago at a casino 3 hours from my house....so now I'm killing time waiting for my satellite....
 
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I think that against such
opponents have to play a lot of
hands very aggressively and
make unexpected moves
 
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byrnsiey330 said:
yeah, but its free to get into, and if you win you get to play in a regional where the structure is a lot nicer..but i did end up winning! my hand range to raise (open or when limped in to because I was never raised to) was 22+, ATo+, AJs+, KQo+, KJs+.
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Congrats on the win, but this is a poor strategy. You need to consider the number of players left to act behind you. These players could pick up a hand and you have no indication of what they hold when it's your turn to act. This is called being "positionally aware." What it boils down to is that you want to play less hands from early position and more hands from late position because of the probability that one or more of your opponents that have not yet acted will pick up a hand.
 
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byrnsiey330 said:
So tonight I'm going back to the site of my first tournament where the players are super loose-passive. They limp into every pot, I've been looking around for good strageties to beat this and they are all mostly "sit and wait for a premium hand then take them to the cleaners." but this is a tournament where I start with about 30BB and the blinds go up every 20 minutes, so sitting and waiting around isn't going to do me any good. Do you guys have any suggestions?
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I probably wouldn't play a tournament like that personally....if you start with 30BB then the vast majority of your decisions will simply be shove/fold decisions.

I suggest learning who can limp call off and punishing everyone else when they High Blind Limp by shoving in LP spots with good Fold equity left.

You are going to have to push a lot and get somewhat lucky to win in that sort of tournament. With stacks that shallow, skill isn't as big a factor as I would like.

The worst type of play with that structure would be to play too tightly.
 
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Limp in more. Play your good hands fast and dont slowplay much
 
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TAG is definitely the style to play here and gratz on the win gl in regional.
 
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at first levels play for a lot of sets, suited brodway almost don't fold also
 
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friend must have patience this is the real poker not want to get to the final table with one blow step is better
 
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every 20 minutes!?))it is really super easy and if you have only middle growth stack you can pretend on the first place.
 
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