Live Tournament: Too Agressive Too Soon?

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Trip James

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I'm new to the forum. Just wanted input on a hand tonight.

I'm no new to poker, just been away from it for a few years. I entered a $40 tourney at a local casino in AZ, with a single $10 add on at the first break. I figured it was a cheap way to get back into tournament play. I'm a decent player, can hold my own. My first tourney back and I get busted out in 15 minutes. Thing is, I feel I made the right move. I'll just describe and hope for useful input.

I folded several hands initially. Got AK once and raised pre-flop, didn't hit, got bet into hard, and folded. So far nothing earth shattering.

Finally I get JQ off in mid position, call, get a small raise, and call. 3-way flop comes up 4-9-10 with no flush threat. I check my straight draw, check, check, free card.

Turn comes up 4-9-10-K, no flush. No hesitation with nut straight, I check hoping to get a bite.

Next player bets about 25% of his stack. I'm putting him on K, maybe even two pair, or at least I'm hoping so I can get paid off. Worst case it's a split.

I thought the size of his bet justified a push, so push I did. He called without blinkkng, so I'm thinkin okay he's got JQ too. Oh well.

I turn over my straight, he turns over 9-10. I didn't put him on a middle two pair, but who cares, I'm about to double up.

The river comes 9. Crap. I'm busted out.

I didn't say anything. I just left. A couple of others sympathized, and that's fine.

So, my question is not about odds. Those were crystal clear. It was a bad beat. It's not whether or not a check-raise was the right move. I'm pretty sure it was. The Guy Clearly Made A Chump Move And Got lucky. Fine.

My question is, did I get too aggressive too early? 15 minutes? Seems inexcusable. Never went out that early when I used to play. Not a great way to re-enter the field, but it was cheap, so no real loss.

I intended to play in survival mode and make it to the rebuy. I just saw what seemed like too good an opportunity.

Input? Did I push way too early, or was the situation clearly worthy of it?
 
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I mean, you had the stone cold nuts.
 
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Im not sure about how big each player's stack was and how big was the pot? Depending on your stack assuming everything checks out seems like a good play to me. you played it well and just got unlucky!

I think the check raise was a very good move into getting his chips in the middle. Sometimes you just get unlucky! Well played though and shake it off, you'll get another chance! GL on the felts!
 
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I'm new to the forum. Just wanted input on a hand tonight.

I'm not new to poker, just been away from it for a few years. I entered a $40 tourney at a local casino in AZ, with a single $10 add on at the first break. I figured it was a cheap way to get back into tournament play. I'm a decent player, can hold my own. My first tourney back and I get busted out in 15 minutes. Thing is, I feel I made the right move. I'll just describe and hope for useful input.

I folded several hands initially. Got AK once and raised pre-flop, didn't hit, got bet into hard, and folded. So far nothing earth shattering.

Finally I get JQ off in mid position, call, get a small raise, and call. 3-way flop comes up 4-9-10 with no flush threat. I check my straight draw, check, check, free card.

Turn comes up 4-9-10-K, no flush. No hesitation with nut straight, I check hoping to get a bite.

Next player bets about 25% of his stack. I'm putting him on K, maybe even two pair, or at least I'm hoping so I can get paid off. Worst case it's a split.

I thought the size of his bet justified a push, so push I did. He called without blinkkng, so I'm thinkin okay he's got JQ too. Oh well.

I turn over my straight, he turns over 9-10. I didn't put him on a middle two pair, but who cares, I'm about to double up.

The river comes 9. Crap. I'm busted out.

I didn't say anything. I just left. A couple of others sympathized, and that's fine.

So, my question is not about odds. Those were crystal clear. It was a bad beat. It's not whether or not a check-raise was the right move. I'm pretty sure it was. The Guy Clearly Made A Chump Move And Got lucky. Fine.

My question is, did I get too aggressive too early? 15 minutes? Seems inexcusable. Never went out that early when I used to play. Not a great way to re-enter the field, but it was cheap, so no real loss.

I intended to play in survival mode and make it to the rebuy. I just saw what seemed like too good an opportunity.

Input? Did I push way too early, or was the situation clearly worthy of it?

You played the hand fine, you got all the chips in the center of the table way ahead enough said.

On a side note... don't play survival mode that implies you are going to make -EV plays and or sacrifice +EV lines to go deeper. That will not make you the most money long term!
 
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He called you with 2 pair, you had the nuts and lost. You got unlucky and thats that.

I don't really like his call that early in a tourney with just 2p there, but lucky (unlucky) for you is he called and hit.
 
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He called you with 2 pair, you had the nuts and lost. You got unlucky and thats that.

I don't really like his call that early in a tourney with just 2p there, but lucky (unlucky) for you is he called and hit.

basically said it perfect . bad beat nowhere round that , just keep grinding and make the right plays.(like you did
 
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Nothing wrong with your play, sometimes things happen and u have no control over it. Just forget it and move ahead :)
 
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You played right. Your opponent just was too aggressive and put all in with middle strong cards and got lucky.
 
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I turn over my straight, he turns over 9-10. I didn't put him on a middle two pair, but who cares, I'm about to double up.

Based on that it seems that even if you knew he was betting two pair you would have done the same so I don't think you played it wrong.
If you had just called, could you have laid down the str8 when the second 10 came up? If you did lay it down what kind of shape does that leave you in. Gotta play to win IMO. Lucky river for him, its poker.
 
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Too early? Don't over think this. If you think you can get called then push.
 
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I think u played it right... if u had bet rather than check raise he would call... you might have saved money on the river... but then again he might have shoved yr turn bet.... in any case you can't let him draw cheap to an 8% probability, you were right he had 2 pr... make him pay is the play... :)
PS Yr early position in tourney is not an issue to me... nuts is the nuts....
 
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I know how you feel but you were successful to get all chips in the middle when you had the best hand that's all we can do.
 
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I'd say that was the right move. Like you said, you were ahead when you got it all in. There is nothing you can do about the river.
 
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You got your chips in with a huge lead. That can't be a bad thing.

If you got your chips in preflop with only a tiny lead early in the tournament, then you might have made not such a great move, because when you throw it out there and hang your tournament on a 55-45 coin flip early in the tournament then you are losing out on any edge that you could have on players down the road.

If I was playing a terrible player heads up, and I had a pocket pair and I knew he had AK, if I could get all of our chips in preflop then I'd be a slight favorite. But I know that my odds of beating him are even better if I let that hand go and look for spots where I have an even better hand.

But in this case you had a huge lead and there is nothing you could have or should have done differently. No one can win them all.
 
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Be happy to get in real good and remember that poker is about making the right play not winning pots. Sometimes even when you make the right play you lose the pot but as long as you continue to make right moves you will see a profit.
 
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