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So I just played in a live tournament on Friday night. I have played both live cash games and live tournaments in the passed, but I have always felt that I am at a total disadvantage when I play live because of the tells I am sure others can pick up on me. I stopped playing live and started playing online. I have being doing well enough with the online sites I play, so I decided to give another shot at live play.

Friday night at the tournament I was playing fairly tight poker. If I remember things right I was in the blinds with 6-7o. Everyone who entered the pot preflop limped in. The flop was 4-5-A with two spades.
I checked then it checked around to the button who made a small raise. I thought for a few seconds before I committed to a semi bluff. The blinds were getting high enough that in my mind I justified an all in shove was the appropriate move in this situation. After my shove everyone folds to the button. The button takes a lot of time to think about his next action. I sat in my seat face down trying my best to not to give any tells off to my scrutinizing opponent. I felt my heart beating soooo hard during these moments. Not only did my heart feel about to explode out of my chest but I noticed my breathing was also really deep. As I noticed this I did my best to control my deep breathing with meditation style breathing.

The button went into the tank for quite some time until he eventually made the decision to call my semi bluff with a flush draw. The next card to come was a spade. I had him covered but his draw crippled my stack.

I do not know if I was called due to to the tells I might have been giving off that or if I was called just because he had 8 outs and he felt like this was his spot to double up or go home. Either way it doesn't really matter. What matters is that I felt really vounerable to being read with the way I was breathing and the way my heart was beating.

I have always physically reacted like this in live play whenever I make moves like these in live play. What can I do to gain some control over my physical reactions to bluffs/ semi bluffs in live play?
 
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it all depends on luck and you have to know how to play
 
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I am not sure how luck and knowing how to play will affect my ability control the physical reaction my body has when I am bluffing, but okay. Thank you for the reply.
 
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Fishy lolll you entered with 6-7 off okay so what its different with online play at this point ? SAME

Okay everybody limp alright too. Tells are for someone observer. Patient. And he is in the game for take some advantage of the game. You never see a good reader on a cell phone in the hands or not he is.

Thanks for the share
 
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He had the nut flush draw? when i play live i have a feeling that i'm getting short and that feeling make me do some bluff out of position or that can't work for me, the feelings that you describe happend me always my heart beats fast but in this spot the opponents, or the mayority of them don't pay too much attention to your tells because you can be fake them so don't give to that so much importance. Just try to keep calm, maybe sometimes they talk to you, then try to do always the same, if you go all in with the nuts and when the villian tanks you start to talk or reply to him then do the same when you are bluffing, it's difficult to dominate and i think only play more and more live games will give you the way to control that emotions but when you do, you can even talk your opponents out of the hand with pure air.
Also i think in this situation he will always call, the best hand you can representate is a straight or a set and even in that situations he is only 1 to 3 underdog.
 
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@Senneville I was in the blinds and everybody limped in, so yes I entered the pot with 67o

@Diegol No he did not have the nut flush draw, but I think you are right about the reason he called. The blinds were getting high. Everyone checked around to the button and he made a small raise. Because everyone checked around to the button I wasn't really afraid of anyone else calling my all in check raise. That is part of why I did this. A bet by the button here doesn't necessarily indicate strength. This could have very well been a position move. Here is yet another reason I chose to shove. After my shove everyone else folded so I was right about the first part. The button tanked and eventually made the call. He turned over 2 spades to reveal a flush draw. My move was consistent with what would probably happen if I had a set. I check raised (consistent with a set) and I moved all in (consistent with a set trying to protect against a 2 flushed board). I feel like I played the hand right. His call proves that he was calling on the odds that he would outdraw my "set" because he didn't even have a made hand.

Once the move was made my body reacted to the immediate stress I was in. This is were the problem lies. Even if he was not studying my body for tells I do not like the fact that to an observant opponent this would be something that once deciphered would give an enormous cue as to the strength of my hand. How do I fix this? What is your techniques if any for fixing physical reactions to stress (Tells) when you play live poker?
 
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Use that to your advantage. If you KNOW your doing it make yourself do the exact same thing when you are really strong. Practice in the mirror of you need to work on deep breathing and such to make it look realistic and not forced
 
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You need to play more. A lot more. So much so that you stop worrying about one hand, even if a large sum or the fate of a prize place in a tournament is at stake. But of course this depends on the nature of the character, the individual neuro-physiological reactions. Probably some people just can not control their emotions even in simple situations.

It also depends on cultural traditions - some people do not usually show all their emotions over trifles, they get used to it from childhood. By the way because of this, Russians are sometimes considered morose villains - we really smile less often than others. But when we smile - it's a sincere smile of joy, and not a strained American smile on duty. That's why we play poker well - you'll never understand what kind of cards we have! Congenital poker face of people who do not worry about trifles. :)
 
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I don't think it was due to any tells that you gave I think he was debabting on only the flush draw I would say he had you on a hand for as long as he was thinking but that's hard to say.
 
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I have the same issue, when I'm on a semi or full air bluff in a big pot, my heart rate increases dramatically and so does my breathing and I'm sure it is easily noticed. I try my best to cover it up but I'm sure it is noticed..
 
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Just keep playing and noticing your reads. The more you play the strong youll become at disguising them...
 
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should try to play like this one day)))
 
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He had good odds to call.

Let's see the scenario:
You are on a straight chase, he is on a flush chase. Odds on flop are 30%-70%. He has the advantage and so he will win this 70% of the times.

Okay you make a straight on the turn without him making a flush, he still has 20% to win on river.

Now, if you make a pair on turn, he still has 35% chance to win on river.

Even if you had any pair on flop, its a coin toss.

Poker is about gambling when you feel right. He won. You lost. End of story. The main point is you were behind on the flop and you can only win this 30% of the times. You shouldn't have gone all in.
 
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