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So I have 2 questions about live game I play in weekly. Its a bounty. 70 buy-in with 25 bounty. So first is more general question. There are certain players that will call with anything above trash. For instance I got jj and raised 3x bb. Guy calls with j5s. So how do you play against players like this. I got jj again in bb and had 4 limpers. Bb was 600 I threw 3000 on top. They all called. What are suppose to do. Of course I had to fold when a K flopped.

Now on to specific hand I would appreciate some feedback on. So blinds were 800/1600. I had built my stack to 52000. I got KQ middle position and after 3 limpers raised to 3500. Got blinds to fold limpers called. So flop comes 67K. 67 were both clubs. Now there is 16k in pot so I bet 6000. Next to act raises to 15k. This is turbo. Blinds go up every 15. Typically you get 1 rd plus maybe couple hands per level. Next level is 1k/2k then 1500/3000. I have all but 10k in pot leaving me bout 42k behind. Villain has like 7k less than me so his bounty is obtainable to me. He is one of these typical limp and call guys with anything suited or connected. I'd expect a raise preflop if he had AK so doubt he has that. I'm thinking flush draw. Any K (kj,k10) could even have str draw. Obv concerns are 66, 77, even K7,K6. Not calling another 9k so its either shove or fold. What are some thoughts. Ill tell you what I did after some feedback
 
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Ok. Going to play tonight. Different tournament. No bounty but same type structure. Would love to hear some opinions here
 
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Raise as much as they will call and then value bet them to death when playing against such a weak range imo.

Out of position with the 2nd pair of jacks you should be making it more pre-flop or depending on your stack size just shoving.

Hand 3: I don't understand why you would raise to 3,500 after 3 limpers and a 1,600 big blind. That's not a good play.

Make a real raise (3x plus a bb for each limper would be 9,600) and then c-bet and get it in on this flop 30bb effective or limp along and play carefully.

As played it checked to you on the flop (if only the limpers called) and you got check-raised small.

Assuming the other 2 players fold I'd probably call and decide on the turn (this keeps in the hands you beat and semi-bluffs which would call a shove on the flop with correct pot-odds). As described, if the flush turns I highly consider folding, otherwise probably talk myself into calling - the bounty makes me want to call, the 4-way flop makes me want to fold.

Good luck to you!
 
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You are playing the micro of live poker. You have to adjust accordingly. When I sit down at a 1/2 table I could raise to 20.00 and still get 2 callers. Same goes for the 100.00 tournaments. Really think about that one. There is 3 dollars in the pot, I raise to 20, and still get 2 calls..... You are attracting all the rift-raft and people that learned watching the wsop on ESPN.

Allowing yourself to get into multi-way pots is a quick way to grind down your stack. My response to this trash is the same as tournaments in the micros. Simply, lets play for stacks. I don't bluff, don't limp, don't "see a flop". I play position and tend to shove a lot on the limpers. This usually changes the dynamic of my table quickly. People know that if they limp or raise before me there is a very real possibility I'm coming over the top.

As far as your specific hand, personally the flop is a check so I could control the pot and get some more information. I would not be happy with my situation .

You have 3 limpers in the pot that could have called you with the phone book. I don't see a reason to make this a big pot. You are behind AA,AK, KK, KQs, 66,77, K6,K7, and not in the best shape vs straight and flush draws.

I'm also not a huge fan of c-bets into a bunch of limpers.

If you were heads up in the hand, it may be a call/shove. In a multi-way pot that is a super easy fold. You have plenty of chips.
 
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Raise as much as they will call and then value bet them to death when playing against such a weak range imo.

Out of position with the 2nd pair of jacks you should be making it more pre-flop or depending on your stack size just shoving.

Hand 3: I don't understand why you would raise to 3,500 after 3 limpers and a 1,600 big blind. That's not a good play.

Make a real raise (3x plus a bb for each limper would be 9,600) and then c-bet and get it in on this flop 30bb effective or limp along and play carefully.

As played it checked to you on the flop (if only the limpers called) and you got check-raised small.

Assuming the other 2 players fold I'd probably call and decide on the turn (this keeps in the hands you beat and semi-bluffs which would call a shove on the flop with correct pot-odds). As described, if the flush turns I highly consider folding, otherwise probably talk myself into calling - the bounty makes me want to call, the 4-way flop makes me want to fold.

Good luck to you!
First. I put in small raise cause limpers will call any raise and a small raise does same thing as large raise. My thinking is at least get blinds out. As they did fold. Then if I hit I can play stronger but I don't want to put a fifth of my stack in preflop and have to against 4 random hands and really can't cbet unless I hit

As far as the jj hand I raised 3k with blinds at 300/600 which makes my bet 6x bb. And all 3 called lol

Back to other hand yes I got check raised. Calling leaves me like 30k behind. With blinds soon to be 1k/2k and 1.5/3k a round later. I didn't think calling was option. And like you. Bounty played big part
 
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You are playing the micro of live poker. You have to adjust accordingly. When I sit down at a 1/2 table I could raise to 20.00 and still get 2 callers. Same goes for the 100.00 tournaments. Really think about that one. There is 3 dollars in the pot, I raise to 20, and still get 2 calls..... You are attracting all the rift-raft and people that learned watching the WSOP on ESPN.

Allowing yourself to get into multi-way pots is a quick way to grind down your stack. My response to this trash is the same as tournaments in the micros. Simply, lets play for stacks. I don't bluff, don't limp, don't "see a flop". I play position and tend to shove a lot on the limpers. This usually changes the dynamic of my table quickly. People know that if they limp or raise before me there is a very real possibility I'm coming over the top.

As far as your specific hand, personally the flop is a check so I could control the pot and get some more information. I would not be happy with my situation .

You have 3 limpers in the pot that could have called you with the phone book. I don't see a reason to make this a big pot. You are behind AA,AK, KK, KQs, 66,77, K6,K7, and not in the best shape vs straight and flush draws.

I'm also not a huge fan of c-bets into a bunch of limpers.

If you were heads up in the hand, it may be a call/shove. In a multi-way pot that is a super easy fold. You have plenty of chips.
Very interesting take. I may try this. Will not make me popular but not trying to make friends lol. Maybe shoving the jj hand would of got me 1 called and a double up. Thinking this way I prob fold the QK hand pre. As it was , I didn't feel like I had plenty of chips. Blinds go so quick and every 10-15 hands. So often I've felt like I had plenty of chips to be patient only to all of a sudden level goes up and I have 20bbs and think I need to get a hand and 20 hands later I've gotten trash and only have 10bbs lol.

You forgot 1 hand im behind. I didn't think AA KK or AK were really possible as pretty sure this player would of put in large 3bet after my small raise. Given how he played, aggressively with top pair a few times, I felt he could just as easily had any K and I could be ahead. I wouldn't expect him to reraise with flush draw really either unless he had the suited K.

Anyway I shoved all in , he had 76, 2 pair, which still gave me 25% shot, given the bounty if suckout and the stack it would of given me, I was ok with it, I didn't suckout
 
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I think while U have such dumies whith j5s and other trashy hands and U have JJ there's no big deal to win. Just play tight and agressive.:icon_stud
 
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Question number one. You just have to play tight. These players will just call all day so you really have to be selective about the hands you play. You're playing right from this post so just keep it up. Depending on the players and bet I necessarily wouldn't fold just cause a K hit.

Second part. You are in 30 BB range here so I'm assuming you're about average stacked. The problem is here is the beta and raises are going to make you commit a lot of chips. So you're first raise is light. You have got 3 limpers already. Your bet would have been closer to 9500. 3xlimp+3 bet on top. So after flop your lead out is still too light. You are going to want to bet 3/4 of the pot. The re-raise is more in line with a hand that has hit, possibly 2 pair. So if you dump this hand it's only 1/5 your stack. It doesn't leave you in the best situation BB wise and you'll have to pick a spot to shove. Shoving here with top pair isn't worth the risk. So myself I would have just called with the other limpers pre-flop. Having 3 in already and having a marginal hand in MP, I'm going to want more players in this pot to make it nice and big if my hand connects. Better pot odds make these more playable when they hit. Of course I'm looking for broadway without the same suits. When I do brick the flop then I'm letting it go with another players bet. I honestly will check top pair as well. And she if someone fires a bet. If in late position I will make a c-bet if no one bets in front.
 
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