Limping UTG with Monsters....Late

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Late in Multi Table tournaments when the blinds are huge limping big hands can be very profitable.

Here's the thinking, limping bloats the pot even further and induces action. Players will see this as a weak play and shove mediocre hands to try to steal the pot.

Before everyone starts to chime in, I am not saying you should limp always and I'm not saying early or middle stages this is a good strategy.

Also if somehow you are at a very passive table with 2 tables left in a 500+ person tournament and 5 people limp behind when you limp AA then you will probably not win the hand.

If anyone in this thread says it is a horrible bad play then they either don't understand the point I'm making or are just an ignorant fish themselves and are incapable of having a meaningful conversation abut poker.
 
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Case in point. Yesterday in high5 21, the 10k one, I am utg+1 and catch AA. It's a couple.of hours in , I have been at the same table all game. There are 2 or 3 aggressive players at the table, I am playing TAG and probably have a nitty image. UTG limps in, I limp behind with AA, 2 more limpers, then the guy in cut off can't help it, he shoves, I've got him covered by 5k so I shove to dissuade any others from coming along. He turns over mediocre hand and aces hold. But if I had not of been at the same table so long and knew the dynamics of it, I would have raised. GL All, have a good un!!!
 
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as long as we know the table dynamics there is nothing wrong with limping monsters, i think the time that it becomes a fatal mistake is when your UTG and you know everybody is playing it passive
 
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Look you want to limp go ahead. That's what I do.If I am late in a tournament and I HAVE TO DOUBLE UP AT ANY RISK I limp.But I do it because I won't settle for mid payments.I either get paid big or nothing.So when you limp your aces under the gun be prepared for them to get cracked way too often.I know that and I take that risk cause if I raise there and everyone folds I miss my boat and the blinds will send me home having a very small payment.just figure what you want.i take my risks.Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.But when it works i usualy win the tournament I'm in.
 
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I think limping is good if the table dynamic calls for it
 
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It depends about table dynamics opponent strategy and my goal about the payouts. If I am in late phase and playing for top 3 and have decent stack size 20-25 BBs then sometimes I would deploy the limping art.
 
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Case in point. Yesterday in high5 21, the 10k one, I am utg+1 and catch AA. It's a couple.of hours in , I have been at the same table all game. There are 2 or 3 aggressive players at the table, I am playing TAG and probably have a nitty image. UTG limps in, I limp behind with AA, 2 more limpers, then the guy in cut off can't help it, he shoves, I've got him covered by 5k so I shove to dissuade any others from coming along. He turns over mediocre hand and aces hold. But if I had not of been at the same table so long and knew the dynamics of it, I would have raised. GL All, have a good un!!!

It works most of the time I promise. Do not be scared to try this at new table, because as the blinds get deeper the chance that someone raises is almost inevitable. People see this as a weak play and will try to "punish" limpers. Keep in mind that whoever else limps in is also weary of all the action that follows.

Thanks for the example bud!!!! :)
 
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I think its a valid strategy. However there is always the risk of somebody getting lucky.

So besides the table dynamic, your position in perspective of the dealer is also relevant.

I personally like to do a min raise. That will trigger off the medium hands also, but also will get the lucky draws out.
 
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Have to be careful with this move if we are talking 4 tables or less.
More players than you think have multiple tables open at this point watching dynamics and looking for moves like this to exploit or be weary of for the potential final table.
Its a move I would pull once per table,after that you need to look into more devious plays that spin off that move if allowed.
Something around the same context as the stopngo where you limp preflop and shove the flop when short.
 
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Carefulness in Poker is always recommended and you can not overuse these plays because they too are easily exploitable.

I play on ignition where the play is anonymous so its easy to use these plays in tournament after tournament and table after table.
 
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Late in Multi Table tournaments when the blinds are huge limping big hands can be very profitable.

Here's the thinking, limping bloats the pot even further and induces action. Players will see this as a weak play and shove mediocre hands to try to steal the pot.

Before everyone starts to chime in, I am not saying you should limp always and I'm not saying early or middle stages this is a good strategy.

Also if somehow you are at a very passive table with 2 tables left in a 500+ person tournament and 5 people limp behind when you limp AA then you will probably not win the hand.

If anyone in this thread says it is a horrible bad play then they either don't understand the point I'm making or are just an ignorant fish themselves and are incapable of having a meaningful conversation abut poker.

I see u play on PS 5 ears ago and play bad ( - profit) and u say limping game it's well ))) funny, only stupeed gamer push any 2 hand ( same like A5s or J8s), if u opponents play well his check and see flop and take 2 pair or flush, strigth for free and kick u. It's my strategy for limp game, i don't try stealt u limp pot ... :cool:
And say me pls: if limp it's well -why no one poker PRO no limp hand ?
 
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I see u play on PS 5 ears ago and play bad ( - profit) and u say limping game it's well ))) funny, only stupeed gamer push any 2 hand ( same like A5s or J8s), if u opponents play well his check and see flop and take 2 pair or flush, strigth for free and kick u. It's my strategy for limp game, i don't try stealt u limp pot ... :cool:
And say me pls: if limp it's well -why no one poker PRO no limp hand ?

Get at me when you can put an English sentence together bud. Thanks for the input.
 
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Sorry guys, limping is a loser. Aggression wins in poker. I raise everything, especially later in tournaments when everyone is starting to tighten up, small pairs, suited connectors, big pairs, if I'm coming in its with a raise.

The problem I have with this "theory" is that as the blinds grow larger, generally people start to tighten up. You could very easily end up with 5 villains limping vs your AA, which is really bad... Don't get cute with a big hand or you could very easily get felted.
 
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Agree with Karl u don't want 4-5 limpers and queens end up getting beat by a2 flopping three 2's, which happened to me very recently
 
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Like everything in this game there can be a good reason to do whatever you figure may be a +EV at a given moment.
 
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no limping for me.
I want to raise the pot size every time i have value in my hands.
 
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Limping with pocket AA can turn from +EV into easily getting busted out of tournament.
 
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Like every other thing, it has it's pluses and minuses.
 
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Like every other thing, it has it's pluses and minuses.

There really isn't any pluses to limping with a big hand. It makes your hand vulnerable and makes for difficult decisions which you don't want.

With hands like AA you need to push out the trash. If you don't raise, you will never know where you are at or be able to put the villains on a hand. People overplay AA and KK a lot. It is still only one pair.

Is AA good on a 4-5-J board in a raised pot, I think so. Is it good on a limped pot? Never know.
 
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i can see what everyone is saying but im going to defend the OP on this one, yes everybody is correct limping is -EV with monster hands, and as blinds increase people do tend to tighten up, but from what alot of us already stated, if the table dynamics call for it, you can limp your AA

were not talking about whether its good to get back to the BB without a raise, were talking about tables where our opponents are betting agressively, i have been on tables previously where in each turn there was always a limp and a raise, or a limp and a shove

remembering also if ppl are at the stage where they are shoving light cus they need to stack up, the gap theory says they would need a better hand to call a shove then to make a shove + your limp adds even more value to a short stack shove

im not saying a short stack would fold, but if your in early position and your shoving it looks stronger and requires a bigger hand to call it down

everything here is villain dependant, and so you wouldnt do it too often but if the table dynamics warrented it, then there is no reason you cant play the hand as suggested
 
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at the micro-stakes, I prefer to play more straightforward. but sometimes you can limp hands of monsters under the gun position
 
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Actually a good idea. Often there are times if you linesi UTG, someone else hit the call and flies from the blinds squeeze, which falls into trap )))
 
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i think the key part of your statement is late in the tournament. I couldn't agree more. later in tournaments you see people get into shoving range and just try to play positions, as they should. This can make limping far more profitable late then the earlier stages of a tournament
 
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i dont like limp, every hand was i open, i do a raise. Limpers, not its good.
 
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I better do it, but 1 in 100 because the ideal is to increase even
 
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