Limp or Push & Fold?

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Most experts say you have to avoid giving too much limp and more push and fold, do you agree? have plays that it is inevitable to limp by uncertainty what do you think?
 
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limp it is situation when you make call to get flop. you should stay away from them, if you dont have a very much confidence in your hand,obviously. but your opponence can easily use your limp. limp has sense only if it suitable for your style of play
 
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Most experts say you have to avoid giving too much limp and more push and fold, do you agree? have plays that it is inevitable to limp by uncertainty what do you think?


Ok, but what situation the tournament this? Some positions and against some villains, playing limp is excellent.
 
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Limp when blinds are small relative to your stack and when you are in position and when the pot is multi way and when your hand is something like a small to medium pair or suited connector or suited one gapper.
 
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The limp may go into initial stage and late stage of course fold push...
 
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Limping has its place but that is a very small percentage, very small. You are going to have a strong hand which gets quite a bit weaker if you limp and rather than have an overly aggressive player pop it, you end up with 4 or 5 people limp. On the flip side, you are going to have a marginal hand and get called with the phone book having someone else's "better" marginal hand win the pot.

You are far better off putting some kind of raise and remove limping from your tool box.
 
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Most experts say you have to avoid giving too much limp and more push and fold, do you agree? have plays that it is inevitable to limp by uncertainty what do you think?


To me limping is good for small pairs because you want to see a flop first before committing.

Other then that if blind are hyper style, you have to use the push or fold otherwise your stack will decrease a lot just by limping.
 
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Most experts say you have to avoid giving too much limp and more push and fold, do you agree? have plays that it is inevitable to limp by uncertainty what do you think?
Sometimes limping with aa/kk isn't bad idea, but you need to be ready to fold if board is scary, I like to lim when I am big stack from late position you can tike blinds by betting once after flop and definitely limping in the bubble with hands like AQ off, J10...
 
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It’s depends on playing stile, I like to limp specially when I hit board and there is c-bet for my opponent, then on the river I push all in and they don’t know what hit them
 
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Sometimes you have to use limp when you are not sure of the strength of your hands or when the board is very shaky. It does not mean at all that you are a weak player, do not be afraid to use it sometime.
 
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I think it’s always good to limp in if u have an okay hand like Q 10 or suited connectors. Of course it all depends on your chip stack the size of blinds and position. I always like to limp in just to see the flop because there’s nothing worse than flopping a set or full house when all you had to do was limp.
 
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If you play aggressive you must continue like this in order to eliminate another aggressive player if you limp once you realize that you have fear
 
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Avoid a limp range. A limp range gives your opponent a very detailed read on you.
But limp hardly ever with QQ+, as you need to bring down the number of opponents to hopefully 1.
 
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It all depends on the strategy of the game that you choose.
 
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It seems to me that a strong poker player must be able to use every action, hobb in order to convey his actions in the game for other players, so that it would be harder for you to foresee. It's clear that everyone has their own style of play, whether it is a tight or loos, aggressive or passive , the currents should be different, and their ability to blow up in a given situation.
 
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In my opinion it is quite situational of who you carry out, if you are in button for example with 100bb and in front of you those who are blind have less than 20bb, I would push with a wide range of cards and play them for more aggressive. And I would limp in case of having a premium hand
 
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Limp when blinds are small relative to your stack and when you are in position and when the pot is multi way and when your hand is something like a small to medium pair or suited connector or suited one gapper.



This pretty much covers more then half the hands in tournaments, especially in deepstack ones....

IMO do not limp, like ever. The only limp that is (and only just) ok, is from the blinds, where you get very good odds to call. But in this case, pretty much the only line you can take post flop is check-call on all streets, unless you hit the nuts and that just doesn't happen often, and even then there is no guarantee that you will extract chips from your opponents.

Apart from this, I tend to limp only UTG with a monster hand dealt, when the table has high % of pre-flop raises. This gives me an opportunity to reraise pre flop, while if I was to bet 4-4.5BB (standard UTG/UTG1 bet size pre flop), it is likely to induce fold round the table, and not really get a good value for my hand.
 
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I prefer don't limp with good hands, cause I can give odds for the villains, but if I am play against a very aggressive player, I will use this on my favour, maybe limp against deep stacks are not a good idea, they can play without good potodds only because their has a lot of chips.
 
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I think limping is a very good tactic with weak connectors or two suited cards, with hands stronger you have to raise )
 
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Limp is only ok when you are on big stack and you have some limps before with 22-88 or some broadways or nice cited conectors. That kind of action is usually in micro MTT where are a lot of donks who call your raise, so it's EV- to raise limpers with 33 for example. fold is bad too so you limp for setmining :) But it's only on big stack. Never on short
 
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Limp is totally fine if you understand and know how your people on table act. On the other side you should never limp something on new table and stuffs if you play without the HUD because that can cost you a tourney. Push and Fold that really depends on the flop and position. Even if you pushed enough hard and your opponent pay your raise to see the flop even without pair you can bluff him and make him fold. In the end i just want to say everything depends on the position and your stack on the table.
 
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Sometimes limping with aa/kk isn't bad idea, but you need to be ready to fold if board is scary, I like to lim when I am big stack from late position you can tike blinds by betting once after flop and definitely limping in the bubble with hands like AQ off, J10...






Limping with AA/KK is almost, repeat almost always a very bad idea.
 
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This pretty much covers more then half the hands in tournaments, especially in deepstack ones....

IMO do not limp, like ever. The only limp that is (and only just) ok, is from the blinds, where you get very good odds to call. But in this case, pretty much the only line you can take post flop is check-call on all streets, unless you hit the nuts and that just doesn't happen often, and even then there is no guarantee that you will extract chips from your opponents.

Apart from this, I tend to limp only UTG with a monster hand dealt, when the table has high % of pre-flop raises. This gives me an opportunity to reraise pre flop, while if I was to bet 4-4.5BB (standard UTG/UTG1 bet size pre flop), it is likely to induce fold round the table, and not really get a good value for my hand.
That will be nowhere near half your hands. How often are you in position AND in an upraised pot AND with a limper in front of you AND have a small to med pair or suited connector or one gapper. For all of those conditions to be true I will at times fold a hundred hands in a row. Notice I say AND, not OR. Big difference.

Also when I say in position I mean on the button or CO. In position does not mean UTG+1 or other crap spot.

So we are talking 2 spots per orbit where all other conditions are met.... not very often.
 
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Everything is situation specific but I can say it's generally a good strategy to NEVER limp until you have a more firm understanding of the game.
 
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