Limp along with many limpers

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Hi
I've always heard it's not convenient limp. And much less if you are in early position and take a good hand. When you have a big hand I understand, for that you get value of it and you increase the size of the pot. However, why not limp a small pair (77) in top positions if you know that the table is full of limpers.

It is a situation that gives me often when playing small tournaments or S & Gs live and see that the people are paying and, above all, limp. If I am UTG + 1 and I-77 and I know that the table is very limp, would not it be more correct to limp too, get in the boat and see the flop? I just know that if I go many paid and the pot is too shoot, but I also know that if I withdraw lose chance my hand improves the flop, because the people we spoke pay easily by curiosity to see the flop (not because they have good hands).

I do not know if I explained well. No talk of tables where all members play very well and is limping absurd 77 (for example), since surely receive a raise of other positions with a better hand than mine, therefore I have to shoot.

See what's your opinion.

Thank you very much.
 
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It would seem that you have a choice to limp and fold to a raise, or raise and have everyone else fold to the raise.
That being said, it would seem that a raise and take it is far more +ev .
 
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Call raise or fold you start limping around the table and you will get knock down to many variables with a lot of players in the hand i dont see any profit in it at all
 
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I personally feel like it could be a good way to trap, but only if you're holding a monster.. then again, you risk losing profit as well.

I prefer to at least take a stab at stealing the blinds, in most cases. I guess it really depends at what point during the tournament you'd be limping.. if it's super early on, than possibly, later on as antes kick in, etc.. than no, not usually.
 
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You can limp i guess with small to low midium pairs if it s already Multi way pot.. but limping with premium Hands from early Position is recipe for disaster..
 
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Not a bad pair. In the early stages without much aggression can be played.
 
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if the blinds are still small you can play call .but if the stack is about 10 bb then you need to either reset or go Ollin.
 
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OOP your hand is pretty much garbage multiply pots!
 
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I think the safest play is to go along with the limpers.
 
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If the stack is deep enough why not limp. If the stack too small it may go all in right away, especially if table is tight.
 
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I think that he's talking about limping with a low pair wich is a good idea if there are already a few people in a pot and your stack is deep enough.
But yeah, if you have a big pair you really shouldn't limp in.
 
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early in the tournament, yes. limp with your small pocket pairs and try to hit that set to catch a fish that thinks their TPTK is the best thing ever. But you also have to pay extra attention to those straight and flush draws. With that many people in the pot there is a higher chance someone has it. do this only on limp friendly tables, which as you said is a good amount of them, and fold to any big raises (you still might want to call small ones)

you need a good stack behind you and your opponents to do this.

Later in the tournament small pocket pairs get me into trouble. they are very hard post flop when you don't know your villain has value or air. you can't limp to setmine unless both you and villain have at least 20BB stacks, probably more than that. And that rarely is the case late in the tournament. So that just leaves folding or raising.

As other said, big pairs that don't require hitting a set to be a winning hand should be an autoraise unless you know without a doubt someone will raise it after you (And 99% of the time you don't).

So in short, first couple rounds, yes. after that, no.
 
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If you watch closely, you can find players who only limp a certain range. Some limp huge hands, raise less than premo hands, and never change gears.

It's the limp-call you should pay attention to. Some will always call a raise after limping; this is often a weak player who has no clue. They might limp an unsuited Ace or king; You raise with your AK, miss the flop, but the limper hits his kicker...so do not bluff these players; They often go out holding only one pair (bottom even) and just will not fold once they hit. Often they will not bet, preferring just to call anything within reason.

Habitual limpers are the meat and potatoes of poker.
 
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I don't agree with limping at all....especially at the start of the tournament. I'm not an aggy player at all, but there are plenty of LAGs out there that would take advantage of this opportunity and push with crap cards. You should show some measure of strength when you play a hand, even if it's 2x BB to throw this type of player off. The reason I say especially at the start of a tourney is because this is the time to build your table image. You don't want the wolves of the table to think you are a passive player, or they'll eat you up.
 
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I don't agree with limping at all....especially at the start of the tournament. I'm not an aggy player at all, but there are plenty of LAGs out there that would take advantage of this opportunity and push with crap cards. You should show some measure of strength when you play a hand, even if it's 2x BB to throw this type of player off. The reason I say especially at the start of a tourney is because this is the time to build your table image. You don't want the wolves of the table to think you are a passive player, or they'll eat you up.

No kidding! However, you can sometimes find one "wolf" that is not as clever as they think they are; you show weakness in hands with them until you can snooker them with a bluff or a real hand (the classic rope-a-dope). If they just fold to your re-raise after you have been showing weakness, they assume you have a hand and fold. But sometimes, they think a bigger bet over the top will certainly scare you away - and that is when you got em (provided you actually have a hand).
 
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great caution should play with limpers:confused:
 
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the problem with limping with multiple players into a pot is that you simply have to beat more players, so hands like 77 or AK shrink up against multiple opponents. The key to success in tourney poker is to isolate as much as possible, that way your hands play better than if facing mulit way action.
 
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Limping in from early position is almost always bad.

If there are already several limpers and you have something vaguely decent on the button or cut-off -- a small to medium pair, middling suited connectors, K-10, or the like -- then you are probably getting pot odds to limp behind, see the flop, and get out cheap if you don't hit it.

You don't want to be the driver of the limp train, but being at the back in the guard's van isn't so bad.
 
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Limp should be used against
players with a small stack, since
there is a risk that the
opponent successfully see the
flop and your hand is a
monster loses value
 
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It all depends in my opinion.
If you are at a table that has been limping a lot and you hold a pretty bad but playable hand like (67 suited, 910).
I would consider limping or min raising in that spot.
 
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I limp all the time with small pairs because they almost only pay off when you hit the set. I don't like to overcommit early against a few potential callers who will all have overs.
 
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If you limp in out of position, more times than not you will need to call or fold. If you're going to play a middle pair out of position you have to raise to limit the pool.
 
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I don't limp early with hands that I can't call a raise with out of position. I don't limp late with hands that play better heads up. So I'll limp with pocket 9's early hoping to hit a set against other limpers, but I'll raise with the 99 late hoping to isolate against fewer opponents.
 
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