Late registration strategy

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What are some thoughts regarding late registration in tourneys? I was wondering which is the better strategy, regging on time or last minute?

Here is why I ask. I am in Maximus event 52A and noticed it has late registration of 2 1/2 hours. Starting stacks are 10000 and blinds are 20 minutes.

If you start at the beginning of the game you run the risk of losing a portion of your stack before the end of LR. You also can win some chips in that same time.

If you wait til the last minute to reg you will start with 10K chips and the level will be 25 ante, 125/250, approximately, what, 40x the BB. Is this a viable strategy or playing from the opening gun better.

I usually try to play from the start and was wondering if the alternative may be better.

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The only times I prefer late registration is when it is a unlimited rebuy tournament and I can avoid the shovefest by waiting until the rebuy period is almost over or in some satellites where you can wait until almost the end and coast in to a win. For any other tourney I prefer to play the whole thing.
 
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Other than some type of circumstance where you really want to play a certain tournament, but can't make the regular registration, I can see no reason for intentionally registering late for a tournament. Why give away all that equity you could be earning during the early stages by intentionally regging late?

True, you could lose a decent portion of your stack in that time, too. But still, why would you intentionally start late when you will certainly face many players who now have a considerably larger stack than you?

Look at it this way.... 2 tournaments, in both all players start at the same time..... In tournament 1 all players start with even stacks. In tournament 2 you are forced to start with a smaller stack than 75% of the field. Which would you choose to play?
 
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Sometimes if I don't feel like playing the first levels, I would wait awhile to late register. This would be for tourneys where you start with a huge stack compared to the blinds.
 
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Generally speaking, if you think you should wait till end of late registration to sign up, you prolly are playing at buy in level above your ability.Sitting at a table, making decisions is how one improves as a player, not waiting till the last minute & hoping to get lucky.
 
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if you have an edge at the game, you want deeper stacks.

so reggin at the start of the tournament is the best idea..
 
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This is a promotion, so these big Merge tournaments are probably still going to have their share of bad players no matter how high the stakes are.
It's better to start at the beginning when there are the more of those bad players are sitting at the tables making all their mistakes. That is the best time for you to double up. Which is much better than trying to play catch-up against the better players with the bigger stacks. IMO the late start strategy will probably lead to a shorter session than if you start from the beginning.:)
 
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I've never understood why some tournaments see as much as half the field registering late. And in a lot of cases, not just a few minutes. Can someone who actually does this on a regular basis explain why you think it's advantageous? Or at least not disadvantageous?
 
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Thanks for all the help. I try to play from the start, and ,will keep it this way.
 
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I've never understood why some tournaments see as much as half the field registering late. And in a lot of cases, not just a few minutes. Can someone who actually does this on a regular basis explain why you think it's advantageous? Or at least not disadvantageous?

As someone who does this often;

The advantages of avoiding the shovefest are neutralized by the raising blinds, some huge stacks and the position you will find yourself in by late registration...IMHO no advantage either way.

Kenzie is right in that when I do purposefully wait till way late, it is likely because the game is beyond my normal BR considerations, but I have calculated something which says that the apparent overlay is making it worthwhile.

If it is a R&A, and somewhere in a sane BRM scheme, I don't mind waiting till near the very end, where I can immediately rebuy, and very soon Add On before all those things stop. Late registration often (always?) stops concurrently with the Add-on break. This generally means I can come in, after this break, with the equivalent of 3 BI's. Advantage here is neutralized again by those in it earlier who had great runs and are sitting on huge stacks, but there will be many more who will start the 2nd phaze with fewer chips than me. 3 BI's is in the average chip stack range after the initial stage.

The biggest disadvantage,IMO, is that you will have no reads on any of the players and even though they should all calm down at that final add on break, many do not. They have got themselves into a feeding frenzy. For the first few orbits after that late registration ends, and there are no more R&A's... the insanity ensues.

I pretty much think Late registration is a wash. However, in those contests where I end up doing well, I usually did not rebuy, and often did not need to Add on. I attribute that to a mindset I avoided in the 1st phase.
 
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I say the best way is to reg on time and sit out the first level or two, unless you get a monster, getting a read on the table.
The info gained is often more valuable than those first few small pots.
 
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i agree that the begining is best place to register......but i have been know to arrive late becuase i don't want so many games running at the same time...i can't even chew gum and play...I was in one the other day that had the add on like 45mins in and the late registers were like where is the add on? that was kind of funny. and one was a mega turbo with a huge add on not happening till 30 mins after late stopped and the blinds were so high most lates were out before addon period. so u really need to look at structure when u apply to these games. gl all
 
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As someone who does this often;

The advantages of avoiding the shovefest are neutralized by the raising blinds, some huge stacks and the position you will find yourself in by late registration...IMHO no advantage either way.

Kenzie is right in that when I do purposefully wait till way late, it is likely because the game is beyond my normal BR considerations, but I have calculated something which says that the apparent overlay is making it worthwhile.

If it is a R&A, and somewhere in a sane BRM scheme, I don't mind waiting till near the very end, where I can immediately rebuy, and very soon Add On before all those things stop. Late registration often (always?) stops concurrently with the Add-on break. This generally means I can come in, after this break, with the equivalent of 3 BI's. Advantage here is neutralized again by those in it earlier who had great runs and are sitting on huge stacks, but there will be many more who will start the 2nd phaze with fewer chips than me. 3 BI's is in the average chip stack range after the initial stage.

The biggest disadvantage,IMO, is that you will have no reads on any of the players and even though they should all calm down at that final add on break, many do not. They have got themselves into a feeding frenzy. For the first few orbits after that late registration ends, and there are no more R&A's... the insanity ensues.

I pretty much think Late registration is a wash. However, in those contests where I end up doing well, I usually did not rebuy, and often did not need to Add on. I attribute that to a mindset I avoided in the 1st phase.
huh?

If you're a good/decent player then playing from the start will obviously have HUGE advantages (ainec). Missing out on oppurtunities when all the early level tards are willing to stack off with bunk TPTK on wetboards (incapable of reading a board even), etc. etc.
There's just wayyyyy too much value in getting to play deep at the start while the most fish are still in it.
 
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I say the best way is to reg on time and sit out the first level or two, unless you get a monster, getting a read on the table.
The info gained is often more valuable than those first few small pots.
So we want to sitout the first couple of levels instead of playin' sm pp's in position & SC's etc., hands that have great implied odds in early levels while deep? Not sure I understand that:confused:
 
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I think I can understand some of the thinking behind registering late for a rebuy, although I don't know how much I agree with it.

But what about freezeouts? Why and how can starting them late be advantageous?
 
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I think I can understand some of the thinking behind registering late for a rebuy, although I don't know how much I agree with it.

But what about freezeouts? Why and how can starting them late be advantageous?
If somebody is really, really bad 250bb deep but solid when they get <50bb you can sort of create an argument for it.
 
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I think I can understand some of the thinking behind registering late for a rebuy, although I don't know how much I agree with it.

But what about freezeouts? Why and how can starting them late be advantageous?

There can be advantages in freezeouts IF the apparent overlay at the time you register is compelling. Happens every now and then in Guarantee Tourneys. That overlay is the reason the sites came up with late registration. But occasionally they don't get enough participation to cover the Guarantee.
 
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If you look through the satellites particularly the $1 buy ins that are on the break after the first hour and you find one (which you will) where 15 players get tickets and there are only 20 players left. Look at the tourney lobby and do a chip count. Often times you will find there are a few monster stacks and several very short stacks actually shorter than you if you buy in. These are good spots to jump in. You might enter into one of these and be in 17th place out of 20 with 15 getting tickets. I will also jump into a rebuy 3 minutes before break. Buy in double If you get a hand to shove with great if not just add on and play from there. The prize money in rebuys is greater than in a freezeout just for getting in the money. I prefer starting from the beginning but I will use these options too. I see no reason whatsoever to buy into a normal freezeout late unless the overlay is huge or of course if you are Phil Helmuth and when you enter bells go off girls start screaming and everyone applauds you as if you are Elvis coming back to do a final concert. ;)
 
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If you look through the satellites particularly the $1 buy ins that are on the break after the first hour and you find one (which you will) where 15 players get tickets and there are only 20 players left. Look at the tourney lobby and do a chip count. Often times you will find there are a few monster stacks and several very short stacks actually shorter than you if you buy in. These are good spots to jump in. You might enter into one of these and be in 17th place out of 20 with 15 getting tickets. I will also jump into a rebuy 3 minutes before break. Buy in double If you get a hand to shove with great if not just add on and play from there. The prize money in rebuys is greater than in a freezeout just for getting in the money. I prefer starting from the beginning but I will use these options too. I see no reason whatsoever to buy into a normal freezeout late unless the overlay is huge or of course if you are Phil Helmuth and when you enter bells go off girls start screaming and everyone applauds you as if you are Elvis coming back to do a final concert. ;)

Playing a rebuy without playing the rebuy period is lol bad... as is playing to just 'get in the money'.
 
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huh?

If you're a good/decent player then playing from the start will obviously have HUGE advantages (ainec). Missing out on oppurtunities when all the early level tards are willing to stack off with bunk TPTK on wetboards (incapable of reading a board even), etc. etc.
There's just wayyyyy too much value in getting to play deep at the start while the most fish are still in it.

Pretty much this^. I see no reason to miss the early donkfest levels. That's when you WANT to be at the table. Sure you'll get horrendous beats now and then, but in the long run you should come out far ahead.
 
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huh?

If you're a good/decent player then playing from the start will obviously have HUGE advantages (ainec). Missing out on oppurtunities when all the early level tards are willing to stack off with bunk TPTK on wetboards (incapable of reading a board even), etc. etc.
There's just wayyyyy too much value in getting to play deep at the start while the most fish are still in it.

Over the years I have played super nitty in the early stages, and repeatedly been punished for this when some hand I have , like QQ, KK, AA early gets not only family potted, but blown out by some ass shoving or calling with 24o and hitting 2 pair, or a str8. So, I have decided to either start on time, but going to take a shit the first 4 or 5 orbits, or registering late.

The stress is often not worth the aggravation. In rebuys this is a little less of a concern.

In theory, sure, start on time and weed thru the lagtards, but in reality I need to avoid that tilt altogether.
 
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Playing a rebuy without playing the rebuy period is lol bad... as is playing to just 'get in the money'.
I won a $2.20 mtt for $419 just the other day doing exactly that. I would try to explain to you my strategy for doing so but you are closed minded and not open for any suggestions whatsoever. It appears that you have an obsession with me just going to anything I post making a negative comment.. I also noticed you made no comment about my satellite late buy in looking for the $1 satellites with few players left.
 
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I won a $2.20 mtt for $419 just the other day doing exactly that. I would try to explain to you my strategy for doing so but you are closed minded and not open for any suggestions whatsoever. It appears that you have an obsession with me just going to anything I post making a negative comment.. I also noticed you made no comment about my satellite late buy in looking for the $1 satellites with few players left.
You won one so it must be the way, lol.
I took 4th in a field of 1,000 players & only had 1bb left in stack on the bubble of it. So from now on I'm going to fold on bubble til' I'm ITM... even if it means folding down to 1bb. (lol)
 
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You won one so it must be the way, lol.
I took 4th in a field of 1,000 players & only had 1bb left in stack on the bubble of it. So from now on I'm going to fold on bubble til' I'm ITM... even if it means folding down to 1bb. (lol)

some guy with a beard walked on water once, so who needs boats?
 
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