Late Registering - As a strategy

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How do you prefer to enter the tournament, as soon as he starts or do you almost always take advantage of late registering?
There are advantages in that you start the tournament 20 minutes later, when you can see if there is a astronomical cheap leader.
On the other hand has the disadvantage that you are missing hands and maybe you were playing and accumulate knowledge about the players on your table from the first hand.
I was wondering if you use this strategy.
 
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Register on time, registering late is a disadvantage.

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If you are an above-average player, it is to your advantage to play the maximum number of hands in order to benefit from your edge.

If your standard of play is below the average in the tournament, you would do well to save your money, not enter that tournament at all, and use the time to study to improve your game.

It is difficult to imagine any case in which starting the tournament late would be a positive strategy.
 
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I know a few people who say they like to register late because it gives a chance for many of the donkeys to be weeded out. They say that, especially at the start of a tourney that people tend to just shove atc and hope for a miracle and usually get it against someone who called with a good hand. They wish to avoid that scenario. However, while that may happen a few times, i would rather start on time and have the chance to take those atc shoving donks money and bust them out and gain a chip lead. Plus you can gain info on other players who have started on time. Any advantage you have over another person in poker is a good thing.
 
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Iv always wondered on this and i have heard of people saying it gets rid of the real donkeys who call with anything if you register late on. I personally would like some insight on it too.
 
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it gives a chance for many of the donkeys to be weeded out.
Yeah, I hate playing at a table full of suckers who play terribly. So hard to win when all the players are so horrible.
 
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I definitely depends on the type of tournament and the amount of buy-in. Deepstack and re-buy tournaments are the two tournaments where I don't mind registering late. However, I feel there is no big advantage to register late. Of Course, if your pocket aces get cracked by some donk just trying to build a stack early, you might think other wise. Late registering in the RUSH tournaments also can be beneficial because so many players get knocked out before registering ends. You just got to fight some big stacks. Gl
 
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I quite often register late for the BLT satellites on FT, they come up at the same time every hour. Firstly it enables me to see whether there is likely to be any overlay, as most people seem to register for them after the official starting time.

If I am knocked out of my preferred $0.50 + .05 format I can sometimes register for the $0.55 + .05 ones, where you only start with 300 chips. In the early stages they are total bingo with people shoving with ATC, whereas coming in a bit later the madness has hopefully died down a little.

Also if I am knocked out of one of my other tournaments I can often open one of these BLT satellites instead, so I keep the number of tables open that I want to have open.
 
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It is difficult to imagine any case in which starting the tournament late would be a positive strategy.

Situations in which the field is cut down so drastically early on that you're in - or almost in - the money from the point that you register. ;)
 
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I prefer to late register when the option is open...I do it this way so I can dodge all the early all-ins. Usually after 10-15 minutes, players are settling down.
 
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If you want to have a piece of the bad players chips, then you need to show up in time, cause the worst players will already be gone after ten minutes.
 
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Yeah, I hate playing at a table full of suckers who play terribly. So hard to win when all the players are so horrible.


i didn't say that. i was saying some people i know think that way. i like playing with suckers.
 
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I don't know why you would want all those crazy people who push with any two cards to be weeded out before you. People like that are an excellent way to obtain chips, dont run from easy money. Sure you get knocked out from bad beats but if you can't consistently beat a bad player what does that make you?
 
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I don't know why you would want all those crazy people who push with any two cards to be weeded out before you. People like that are an excellent way to obtain chips, dont run from easy money. Sure you get knocked out from bad beats but if you can't consistently beat a bad player what does that make you?


^^this. Those of you who get excited about beats need to lock down your emotions and stop being results-oriented. Any game where you get your chips in with the best hand is a good game. The actual outcome on the day doesn`t matter.

If you consistently get your chips in ahead, you will win over the longer term. The short term is meaningless - poker is a long game. Trying to improve short term outcomes by avoiding confrontations with weak players is nonsensical and will be highly likely to have the effect of reducing your success overall.
 
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Trying to improve short term outcomes by avoiding confrontations with weak players is nonsensical.
That's easy enough to say when you have an established bankroll, but for people that are starting out and trying to build a bankroll from scratch it can sometimes be an economic necessity. I think that some people on this forum have forgotten what that feels like.
 
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That's easy enough to say when you have an established bankroll, but for people that are starting out and trying to build a bankroll from scratch it can sometimes be an economic necessity. I think that some people on this forum have forgotten what that feels like.
What?

Your variance is going to be lower and your win rate is going to be higher when you're playing against idiots. If anything, its an economic necessity to play against those idiots when your bankroll is low.
 
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Yeah, I hate playing at a table full of suckers who play terribly. So hard to win when all the players are so horrible.

though I agree on the general idea, I disagree with this specific idea. A table with 8 awful poker players who don't know what that a fold button exists is disastrous for good players...All the key poker concepts you learn are useless against them,because good players rely on skill and not their good cards to get their money in. they can go card dead and still win by making others fold...
Well that doesn't exist with bad players, you have to have better cards and you're battling 8 idiots to escape a suck-out(which is going to hit for one of them). their all-in may mean they have air but are happy to make it, your tptk may stand against an all-in sometimes,other times it's just one ace, other times even your nut flush might get cracked by a checker...
check this,you have aces you go all in and everyone calls, you can be sure as hell you're gonna lose that one against 8 people with shit hands!raising utg doesnt mean shit to them so you can't really know what they have now can you?and they don't even care if you have AKs with ur UTG raise they call and hit and you're out of the tourney early on( in which survival is the key concept to get money).

So no playing against bad players is not all that easy because an army of them will negate your skills and their combined luck will make them win even with dominated hands!
Good poker players understand key concepts like fold equity,That's why I prefer to play with good players and that's why I mostly cash in the CC freerolls...
 
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I see a lot of ring game thinking here.

Yes, getting it in when ahead should be a profitable move over time. Good ring thinking, not so good tourney thinking.

Yes in ring you want the donkies. Again, not good tourney thinking.

I am sure that late registration is not the boogyman the ring players think it is. Depending on when I get in, AND the tourney structure, I can avoid those agro maniacs that I find screw me up, and occasionally get a defacto overlay. When the tourney started there was no overlay, but at close to the end of late registration (usually about an hour in), with nearly half the field gone, there may very well be a decent overlay.

We all know that the first few orbits are the most dangerous time of a tourney. Why tempt fate? We all know that the effective chips stack early is most likely to change drastically over the course of the tourney. Why tempt fate. And most of us have seen it often enough, where the low stack after the bubble comes back and does very well, reasonably occasionally winning.

I do late register on occasion, I generally wait till near the end of late registration so I can get a handle on the effective overlay if any, and an idea of the biggest stack size in comparison to average, which gives me a picture of my opportunities. However, I won't register late into a turbo, where it would be likely that I would buy in and find myself with an M of 3.....:eek:
 
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wth is going on, thread should have ended after first response...or maybe the second.
 
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I see a lot of ring game thinking here.
I see EgonTowst as being very much a tournament player, although I could be wrong - I often am! :D
 
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I see a lot of ring game thinking here.

So I am a ring game player?
Actually early in big tourneys equity and EV have almost 100% correlation, and you are usually quite deepstacked, so its a bit like a cash game.
 
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wth is going on, thread should have ended after first response...or maybe the second.
It's a discussion forum, what a boring world it would be if we all thought the same. :)
 
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Unfortunately, my PT3 doesn't record whether or not I register late, so I can not prove this, but my gut feeling is that I do better when I register late. Better being determined by finishing position. Yeah yeah, I avoid all those quick exits........

I KNOW I can be goaded into acting when faced with a table full of agro maniacal fish. So I avoid them.

When I do play from the start, if I mix it up with the table, I am being too loose. I know this, I want to avoid situations and thought processes which I know do me harm. If I can avoid anything but premium hands I know I can do very well, but I have to avoid the temptation to play broadway cards in LP (for instance) until much later in the tourney. So one of the easiest things to do, for me, is to register late.

Consider it a marathon with a gazillion runners. You did not qualify to start in the front row. You know you are a decent to good runner. Do you want or need to be in the pack, at the very start? People run into each other at the start, some fall, and injure themselves. Even if you wait just a few minutes, a lot of clarity comes and a path thru the hoard appears.
 
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I can see the value of registering late in certain situations, but I think that is definitely the exception, and the best play is to be available from the beginning where you can take notes on players and get in a rhythm. But the one style of play I struggle a lot with is Rush Poker, I think for something like that entering late could be an advantage.
 
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I don't register late as a strategy, I register late because it suits me to do so in certain circumstances.
 
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