Large field micro MTTs?

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Hi, I've just this second finished playing a couple of MTTs. 2 of them were $1+$0.10 and 1 was a freeroll, all on PaddyPowerPoker. They were: $1k GP freezout; a $500 POWER ONE (VIP level 1) freeroll; and the nightly 'Paddy's Pantsdown $100 added' tournament. Firstly, playing Paddy's Pantsdown twice in a week gets you entered into the weekly $1k freeroll final, so I thought this was an offer to be taken advantage of. Secondly, I managed to get into all 3 for a total of $0.16! The freeroll was free obviously, Paddy's Pantsdown had an option to buy-in for 350 points and having played step 1 and 2, i earned a token for step 3 or one of various $1.10 MTTs and chose the nightly $1k Guaranteed.

I failed to cash in the Pantsdown tournament, finishing 137th/177. However, in the freeroll I came 58th/2765 for $1.45 and in the $1k guaranteed I came 70th/1158 for $2.89. These cashes for a profit of $4.18 were nice, however only got me an added 3 or 4 buy-ins.

I have two questions:

1. Is it worth playing steps tournaments to 'satellite' into $1.10 tournaments?
2. Are large field micro MTTs worth playing?
 
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Whether it's "worth it" is highly if not completely subjective.

If you just look at your win rate, it will probably be pretty small over any decent-sized sample. So is it worth it to win a few cents or even a buck or two per hour? That's up to you.

Otoh, everyone has to build his roll from something, and it's better to start with money you can easily afford to lose. If that's 0, your only options are to begin with freerolls or not to play. Otherwise, it's a matter of how much your financial situation will allow. If you're rich, you can do your learning at higher stakes, although it may still be better to work your way up starting in the micros.
 
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Question 1. Im my opinion no i dont think you should be satelitting into $1.10 tourneys you either should buy in or play freerolls if you dont have the BR to be doing that, but thats up to you :) If you are learning the game then freerolls are a good way of learning how to take advantage of either peoples bad play because the fields are usually very weak. However expect a lot of variance with bad players calling with K3 vs your AK and hitting 2 pair on a K high flop. It happens just move on and play again but in the long run these players are giving you free chips

2. If you enjoy playing MTT's and you are still learning the game then MTT's are worth playing because you get to experience all the different chip stacks and learn how to play them throughout various MTT's and the stages you experience when playing MTT's. Again you can take advantage of others bad play and it is a good way to boost your confidence and your bankroll if you are sensible.
 
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Imo,
'going deep' in any mtt is vital to the learning process .
You may as well keep them cheap till you can make a few final tables , or at least a few cashes.
Good luck.
 
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Thanks for the responses. I think I may have excluded an important fact. My bankroll is, atm, $101. I know I am fully rolled to buy-in directly to these tournaments, but if you have $1,000,000 and wanted to buy into an $11k tournament, but saw that you could buy into a $1.6K 10 man SNG satellite and had to finish top 2 in first round, top 4 in second, would you not consider it? I know its a totally different ball game, but the same principle still applies, right? Besides, it also gives you good practice for when you make final tables and what to do with certain amounts of blinds?
 
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Meh, satellites are pointless. You may as well choose a SnG to play and decide that if you win X amount in that game you'll play a certain tourney. It's basically the same thing.
 
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Meh, satellites are pointless. You may as well choose a SnG to play and decide that if you win X amount in that game you'll play a certain tourney. It's basically the same thing.

I wouldnt say it quite like that but close. Steps are pretty pointless, way to many grinders in them.

Sats to live MTT's/big sunday million MTT's etc etc are super soft. Way softer than standard sit and go's. You just have to be selective.
 
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The decision whether to play sats into tournaments you can afford to buy into directly is largely a matter of personal preference. For example, let's say you're looking at $1 sats into a $11 game, and also that you figure on average, you'll win a ticket one time in five. On one hand, you save $5 versus buying in directly. On the other, you have to make the time to play those five games. Which is preferable is up to you.

I don't play a lot of sats, but when I do, it's almost always to try to get into a tournament that's well above my roll.
 
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The decision whether to play sats into tournaments you can afford to buy into directly is largely a matter of personal preference. For example, let's say you're looking at $1 sats into a $11 game, and also that you figure on average, you'll win a ticket one time in five. On one hand, you save $5 versus buying in directly. On the other, you have to make the time to play those five games. Which is preferable is up to you.

I don't play a lot of sats, but when I do, it's almost always to try to get into a tournament that's well above my roll.

It should depend on your hourly. If your hourly is higher in sats of that buyin than playing a different MTT (within your bankroll obv) then you should be playing the sats. Don't forget that because of their payout structure all satellite ROIs will be lower than more top heavy payouts though, because you'll have your biggest edge at the final playing short handed/against scared players when you are good
 
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I wouldnt say it quite like that but close. Steps are pretty pointless, way to many grinders in them.

Sats to live MTT's/big sunday million MTT's etc etc are super soft. Way softer than standard sit and go's. You just have to be selective.

The people that do win them certainly do make tough opponents.
 
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