This is a discussion on JJ at the final table within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; Hi, what do you think a hero should do? What is the villain's hand?
itm zone, final table
hud stats vpip/pfr/postflop agg
villain1 bu (11bb) 19/12/7.5
I would shove. There are only 3 hands that you are dominated. Villain could be raising lower pocket pairs, KQ, AQ, AK, even KJ, QJ since he seems to be the most aggressive at the table. He should be folding some of that range to a 3 bet shove but most likely will call with a lot of it. you are the shortest stack so need to double up. This may be your last best shot. the money is all at the top so no reason to try and wait it out.
I would raise all in here. If we just win the blinds we are OK with it. If the call we should be i great shape unless we run into a monster and if that happens it poker. There is one very short stack in the BB we might be called by but that's fine as well.
Hello! This is a rather difficult situation, on the one hand there is a short stack with 2 bb at the table, and you can wait a bit while the blinds eat it. On the other hand, the 13 bb stack is reasonably short and you can try to double your stack in order to try to get a higher prize. I think I would click all in.
I would shove as if u double up here u are in good shape to win tourney and if loose the money difference of the payjump is not huge as usually the big pay jumps are 4 first places. Also there is the possibility that the villain folds and u get the blinds.
In my opinion the question is about the raiser's hand strength. Does he have a marginal hand and is testing the waters or he has a monster and tries to trap an all-in shove, faking weakness. Anyhow, all-in before the flop with JJ for me is more of a semi-bluff than a value bet.
I'm not good at push-fold, but with 13 bb I think it's push. AA at the final table may not be handed out. And then there is fold equity and you will stand quite well against AQo. The pocket pair has stable equity.
Thanks to everyone for the feedback, but let's try to see what the poker calculator will say about this. As an assistant, let's ask for help the most famous of them - icmizer. He claims that all-in is a plus in this situation, and suggests using a wide enough range to flip a coin.
I went all in with 99 on the final table recently, and was called with a AJ and I lost with an A on the flop... it was sad, and maybe i should not have done it, but that is in hindsight... I believe I have cured my desire to be as feisty down in the last table, and get a bit higher payout... i was in 2nd place at the time, and finished 7th after i lost all my chips...on that hand...motoconcho...
I should have... I would have... I could have... but i didn't!
We play within a range of risk... its only after we get "out-risked" we lose...
In your case, many players on the board, likely holding A,K or Q, and other good cards that they like... don't fight them...
"May the perfumes of the divine goddess embrace you as you slip off happily in a drunken dream!" ~ Guru
I really have bad memories from JJ , either in tournaments or in satellites for them . If my stack is low or I have good odds from other stacks' shoves to call or to reshove , it's good for me , or else usually I have problems on the flop lol , not always , but usually
3bet with 6BB.
If anyone came in behind you surely is another premium hand or at least AK, maybe they will even jam it in. You still have option to fold with 7 BB left.
If no one came in, MP1 shove , you should call. If he fold, you take pot. If he call, you get to see flop to decide on your remaining 7BB.
Anyway, limping in is definitely not an option. It's either 3bet 3x or jam it in.
Your kind of short stacked and need chips. So its kind of a good idea to throw out probability and go all-in. You would like to factor have you hit trips in a while and has trips been in face cards in a while. But since your short stacked your probably hoping to fold the winner and double up.
I think you have to be aggressive in this situation, even if you have a player with a much smaller chip.You cannot fold pocket JJ t for a base raise, just call is a very bad move. It's an easy push! What card does your opponent have? really anything.
I agree with everyone who said shove! I know JJ has a bad rep, but truth is it's a great hand, especially heads up and if you get called, chances are it will only be by one player and if it's the player with 2 BB and you lose, that won't be a disaster. A raise to 2 BB is not showing any real strength, and you need to get aggressive with your good hands here while you still have fold equity. Chances are the player in mid position will fold and if he calls with something like AK or AQ or pocket 10's (and that's a tight range, some players will call with worse) you are in a really good position to double up and take a run at taking it down. Play to win! Pocket Jacks, Yeee HA!
I would usually do the push too but since there is a player with only 2BB I would only call if the flop does not benefit me, I get out of hand I would still have 10BB to keep trying and I will most likely win a little more money when the player with 2BB is out of the tournament
I read somewhere that there is around a 50% chance that an Ace, King or Queen will flop, if one does flop what now? So I would shove pre-flop and hopefully win the blinds outright or limit the amount of players in the hand.
JUST KILLIN TIME,,,WAITING FOR TIME TO KILL ME...
With 13 bb calling makes little sense here. Your only real options are shove or fold. You might consider folding if you were already one of the top two stacks where the big payouts are. Since that isn't the case here a shove is the best play.