J10s in SB

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Jack 10 suited in the small blind seems like a really awkward situation to me, and I commonly find myself struggling to pick the correct move to make.

It is a hand that really wants to see a flop, but doesn't want to be played OOP, which creates the awkward spot.

What do you guys do when you have J10s in the small blind and you have a few limpers behind you? I feel like it is not a strong enough hand to raise or try to iso with, even knowing that the other players are weak. The pot odds are amazing to flat call, but if the flop comes and you have middle pair or even top pair medium kicker its a very tough spot to decide what to do.

What about dealing with an open from late position? Flatting just doesn't seem ideal. It will most likely result in check folding the flop from being OOP or create an uncomfortable spot if you hit what was described above. 3 betting seems like it could be really strong here, because you would have decent fold equity. The only problem with this is that you would have to insta-muck to a 4 bet and the only hands your opponents are continuing with seem to smash your range.

Conclusion? Seems like the best play is to just either see a cheap flop when limped into or fold to an open. Thoughts?

Very interesting spot I think, I would love to hear your opinions.

Also, take everything I say with a grain of salt, I'm fairly new to the forum and only have about 1 year of poker experience under my belt in general, thanks!
 
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With a short stack, you can try to steal the pot by going all-in :)
 
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This is true, but I do feel there are way too many other hands better to shove. Any pocket pair, any ace-x, or suited connectors less than jack 10 so you have 2 guranteed live cards (opponent can call with ace jack, ace 10, KJ, etc.) Also if you are at the stack size where shoving jack 10 actually becomes shovable you probably have zero fold equity at that point as well.
 
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I'm going to go ahead and make my usual disclaimer,I'm low micro stakes player but,I have 3.5 years experience which have played in hundreds of tourneys.First of all,a lot of your strategy will depend on the table and your fellow players it's never a one size fits all for every tourney.Generally what I will do is flat call being as I'm half way in already ,if there is one to two people I'll throw in a continuation bet no matter if hit the flop or not,more than two it's a straight check,and if I hit the nut straight it's a slow play flat call any bet,the hard part is when you hit the flush and someone starts betting crazy,you might have to let it go could be up against higher flush.
 
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Of course, strategy will need to be adjusted as you adapt to your table, solid point. I think I agree that calling is a pretty good option here, but for the cbet when first to act behind 2 others, I think could be a little reckless, although it only has to work like 1 in 4 times with 2 others in the pot/antes? So I guess I could see that. What about a raise behind you?
 
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just call and hope BB will not rasie if he does fold...
You can also try to invers your hand by raise but if You have dumb calling station on table better do not do this in high level of tournament when You like
<25BB fold it
 
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average hand with some potential but very tricky and i dont have enough confidence to that hand and i would call just to see a flop
 
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well, not at all J10 it's not a bad hand, if she still suited, then in General you can say steal blinds,but for a raise with this hand I would certainly dropped, well, call the big blind and the flop is always possible
 
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Folding should not be an option here with J10 suited unless you have short stack. Simply flat as you get such good odds to peel the flop with so many limpers. Unless you flop a straight draw or flush draw as such it is better to play passively post flop. You simply should not bet/call after just making a pair or even two pair as you'll just be giving a villain with strong draw either good value to call or squeeze you out with a raise which will make it tricky. So simply check fold unless you flop big.
 
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Like various other combos, how to play this one can depend on various factors, both pro and con, plus how you weigh them. So, it's a situational decision. When you have modest cards and poor table position, it's not realistic to hope a single action will be best in every combination of circumstances.
 
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Your conclusion is correct.

Adding to it, you want a straight draw on the flop.

Whats nice with the hand is, its easy to play.
 
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