Was it right for John Hesp to reraise all in with top 2 pair?

Hi, was just wondering people's thoughts on the wsop final table when john went all In with top 2 pair as yeah it was a cooler but should you not play for a big pot when your almost joint chip leader with the other chip leader? Is this not icm sudcide? When I,am at final tables I try not to get too involved with big stacks or try and play small ball with them! What you think guys?

Please can you post the details of the hand including positions etc? I do not reside in America or keep up with WSOP via online streams.

I,am fairly new to this so maybe someone can put a link for you tube that shows the hand being played. as I don,t know how to sorry.

The hand in between Scott Blumstien(utg w/75ishM) and John Hesp(bb w/100ishM). Blinds 500k/1M 150k. Scott raised to 2.2M w/AA. Folds around Hesp calls w/A10h. Flop A75 rainbow goes check check. 10 on the turn, Hesp checks Scott bets 3M, Hesp raises to 7M, Scott makes it 17M and Hesp jams gets snapped.
I mean it's obviously a cooler buy Hesp can definitely just call the turn and re-evaluate on the river, not saying he's going to get away from it but he could have limited the damage by just calling the 10M re-raise on the turn. A 10 in this spot is just going to get his shit ****ed up.

They have shown this hand twice while watching it tonight.

It was a severe cooler, and I don't what to think about it much more cuz 'Thaaaaaaat's Poker!'

could of called and seen the river and decided, but either way I think he looses his stack and game is over.

It was wrong only because the other guy had trip aces...

RidersFan said:

The hand in between Scott Blumstien(utg w/75ishM) and John Hesp(bb w/100ishM). Blinds 500k/1M 150k. Scott raised to 2.2M w/AA. Folds around Hesp calls w/A10h. Flop A75 rainbow goes check check. 10 on the turn, Hesp checks Scott bets 3M, Hesp raises to 7M, Scott makes it 17M and Hesp jams gets snapped.
I mean it's obviously a cooler buy Hesp can definitely just call the turn and re-evaluate on the river, not saying he's going to get away from it but he could have limited the damage by just calling the 10M re-raise on the turn. A 10 in this spot is just going to get his shit ****ed up.

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Actually, he misplayed by slowplaying the flop with that hand. With that hand you want to check who else has hit the ace but yes, once that turn came there is no doubt he'd be coolered anyway.

This is again an issue with tournaments. In cash games, you can win this back by playing the same way in same situation most times.

Rational Madman said:

Actually, he misplayed by slowplaying the flop with that hand. With that hand you want to check who else has hit the ace but yes, once that turn came there is no doubt he'd be coolered anyway.

This is again an issue with tournaments. In cash games, you can win this back by playing the same way in same situation most times.

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Actually checking back the flop is a far better play most of the time. With AA on a A75 rainbow you block a lot of your opponents strong hands. You're in position so it's far better to let your opponent catch up or give him an opportunity to bluff. There isn't much reason to be worried about any turn card in this situation, the turn can only help your opponent which is good for you when your hand is so nutted.

RidersFan said:

Actually checking back the flop is a far better play most of the time. With AA on a A75 rainbow you block a lot of your opponents strong hands. You're in position so it's far better to let your opponent catch up or give him an opportunity to bluff. There isn't much reason to be worried about any turn card in this situation, the turn can only help your opponent which is good for you when your hand is so nutted.

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I was talking about the guy with A10 not the guy with AA.

Oh, in that case he was just playing in flow and not slow playing. Donking with A 10 vs an utg open is terrible just terrible, you put yourself in a bad spot no matter if you get called or raised b/c you won't have gained any info and blotted the pot out of position. If your opponent folds your loosing value.

RidersFan said:

Oh, in that case he was just playing in flow and not slow playing. Donking with A 10 vs an utg open is terrible just terrible, you put yourself in a bad spot no matter if you get called or raised b/c you won't have gained any info and blotted the pot out of position. If your opponent folds your loosing value.

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In this stage of tournament with that much in the pot, opponent folding at the flop is great for you. You need to intimidate a 7 or fellow Ace-drawer to not get 2 pair etc.

As I said though, because the turn card was a 10, he'd overplay his hand at that point and be coolered regardless.

Rational Madman said:

In this stage of tournament with that much in the pot, opponent folding at the flop is great for you. You need to intimidate a 7 or fellow Ace-drawer to not get 2 pair etc.

As I said though, because the turn card was a 10, he'd overplay his hand at that point and be coolered regardless.

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There's only 6.35M in the pot in relation to their stack sizes it's not a big pot which is way you would want to get value. Being that they were the 2 biggest stacks at the time you don't want to play a blotted pot out of position against the only guy at the table you could take 75% of your stack. Yeah he got cold deck hard but the play on the flop is standard and he did nothing wrong. The only thing I didn't like about his play was jamming 56bb effective after being 3bet on the turn. I would have preferred a call and go to the river and evaluate again. Probably check calling the river for probably around 27M would be the play but he may have just blasted it off anyway. Going to the river at least gives you a chance.

I`m not super sure what you are talking about, but I can just say "Don`t fall in love with your pairs" /Jhan Duhamel/

I for all time play poker may not have been at the final table but when it was played very gently tried to bet only with very good hands

Not really a good shove on the turn against a fairly snug UTG raiser who didn't bet an ace high flop. If he gets his whole stack in he is going to be up against sets and maybe A5/A7.

When he's behind it is a disaster to lose such a big chip stack, especially since the other stacks were so bunched up at the bottom and are going to be easily bullied by the big stack (with such huge pay jumps).

Hesp dug a hole and covered it with leaves and ended up falling in himself. He did great overall and it is not an easy hand to play, especially for someone who has only ever played 10 Pound tournaments at a local casino.

It's always easy to analyse someone's play after the fact. If he wasn't up against a set we'd all be praising his aggressive play. We don't know what read he had on his opponent at that stage or what hand he imagined he might be up against. Top 2 pair is good enough often enough to take down the pot so all you can do is play what you have and pray to the gods of poker that you're not making a mistake.

Was it right for john to reraise all in with top 2 pair?

DougPkrMonsta said:

Not really a good shove on the turn against a fairly snug UTG raiser who didn't bet an ace high flop. If he gets his whole stack in he is going to be up against sets and maybe A5/A7.

When he's behind it is a disaster to lose such a big chip stack, especially since the other stacks were so bunched up at the bottom and are going to be easily bullied by the big stack (with such huge pay jumps).

Hesp dug a hole and covered it with leaves and ended up falling in himself. He did great overall and it is not an easy hand to play, especially for someone who has only ever played 10 Pound tournaments at a local casino.

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Yeah the poker gods was defo on his side! The thing Is it don,t matter how good you are you still need so much luck but of course if your good you don,t need as much luck but you still need a lot! Someone once said you need to win 50 flips to get to the final table! There is days I don,t win one flip in tournaments!! Lol [emoji23][emoji23]

It is because of meta game, all in two pair is definitely correct play here.
PS: watched this , it is a cooler.
but play for win is correct, besides even finished in 4th place, still wins a lot money, if I understand correctly, poker player did not need to pay 40% or so, income tax like US player.

I dont like the check on the Flop but its a tournament hand so. Just a cooler i guess

if you think your opponent has AK then you're gonna double unfortunately he had the stone cold nuts, which is also hard to put him on. I personally wouldnt have gotten my whole stack in against the next biggest stack in the tournament with two pair. But I cant fault Hesp for doing it.

with 2toppair...im raise blocking..

This is clasic "setup hand" lol.. AA vs ATs.. AT on the board huh.. big unlucky cooler

so many wrong answers in this thread... it is tilting me to read through them.

IF you want to learn something about the game, re-read (or read if you haven't read them the first time already) Rider's Fan's posts. These are spot on! (no ifs &'s or but's). If you can't comprehend it, try searching for info. so you can get a better grasp on it. Maybe start by looking up 'ICM'. Also consider paying a measely $10 & watch all of the pokerGO replays & try to learn by listening closely to the commentary.

If you watch the stream, listen to Antonio the Magician's feedback on it as I believe Lon asks this very same question.

BriceNice said:

if you think your opponent has AK then you're gonna double unfortunately he had the stone cold nuts, which is also hard to put him on. I personally wouldnt have gotten my whole stack in against the next biggest stack in the tournament with two pair. But I cant fault Hesp for doing it.

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why would he EVER play AK like that in that spot? & do you think he would actually call it off? That'd be insanity! Pretty sure he didn't get to this point by making decisions like that (although Hesp being a rookie, may have)