Interesting Hand

Noticed an interesting hand and wanted to get some peoples input here on what they would have done or how they would have played it out.

30/60 blinds

3,850 sb (QQ)
1,810 BB
2,080 UTG
6,115 Button

UTG limps in folded to the button who also limps in. Action is on you. What is the best line to take here?
Should you raise playing this hand oop post flop or limp in? Also how often are you c-betting this flop if you do raise it/isolate it pre?

Raise and raise BIG. I'd make it AT LEAST 300.

NEVER limp here unless you KNOW 100% that the BB will raise and then you can limp/shove over top.

Don't limp, it's horrible.

Helll I just had this hand last night. Two limpers before me and holding QQ - I raised 5 times the BB (pretty much what Hillbilly said). It did go to flop (they both called), and fortunately the board was dry as hell and I had an overpair and could throw out a 2/3 pot bet and they went away. If an A or K comes on the flop, well I'm not going to like it a bit but I'll probably bet it one time.
Here's the thing - the chances of of an overcard coming on the flop are actually pretty good (though still in my favor) and A-rag, K-rag is what these guys are going to limp with. It's not like I am afraid to go to the flop with QQ - I like my chances - but damn it they will pay for that privilege. LOL

Thanks for the input guys.

Next part of the hand was:
SB raises to 300
BB folds
UTG calls
Button Folds

Flop (720) A 10 4 Rainbow

b/f.

Ok, now do we know anything about the UTG player?

I mean it could be that he has Ax here a lot if he's just a Super Loose Passive or that he NEVER has an Ace here.

WVHillbilly said:

Ok, now do we know anything about the UTG player?

I mean it could be that he has Ax here a lot if he's just a Super Loose Passive or that he NEVER has an Ace here.

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I believe when I looked at this it was 23/15 for UTG.

What kind of range would you be assuming for UTG at this point?

gsxr5221 said:

I believe when I looked at this it was 23/15 for UTG.

What kind of range would you be assuming for UTG at this point?

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Well with those stats and a limp/call, I'd say more small pairs than anything.

I presume most of those stats were when more were at table. You're ahead majority of the time, if you're not he'll let you know.

Thats a range worth going after - lead out flop and maybe even the turn. Just don't try to make it into a big pot. Be assertive but you're still treading lightly

Alright I apologize I went back and doubled checked...UTG was 29/8

There was a c-bet on that flop for about 350 for which the UTG flat calls.
Turn is a 9 complete rainbow board.. sb leads out for roughly half pot again and the UTG just about min raises all in

gsxr5221 said:

I believe when I looked at this it was 23/15 for UTG.

What kind of range would you be assuming for UTG at this point?

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Sorry for my noobness but what are you saying by 23/15 range?

That is kind of a tough spot. At this point giving credit for an ace and would want to fold but am afraid I'm priced in at this point. The call would be what? Around 700- 1000? About 3-1 or better?

As played I don't think SB can fold. Don't really like leading again on the turn tbh.

WVHillbilly said:

Raise and raise BIG. I'd make it AT LEAST 300.

NEVER limp here unless you KNOW 100% that the BB will raise and then you can limp/shove over top.

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Absolutely agree! Where does he come up with 300? How WVH decides I don't know, but I came up with that amount by taking a 3x raise and adding 1 BB for every limper. I use that as a guide. The table dynamics might dictate more or less. But if you are new to the table, it's a great starting point!

WVHillbilly said:

As played I don't think SB can fold. Don't really like leading again on the turn tbh.

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So what are you doin on the turn..Check/fold or check/call ..and if this is the route you go are you callin an all in on the river when you check again?

tbdbitl said:

Absolutely agree! Where does he come up with 300? How WVH decides I don't know, but I came up with that amount by taking a 3x raise and adding 1 BB for every limper. I use that as a guide. The table dynamics might dictate more or less. But if you are new to the table, it's a great starting point!

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I agree, that was how I came up with the number as well ^^..Although do you think the raise amount should be at least one more BB since you would be playing this pot oop and possibly multi-way if your isolation doesn't work?

Check/fold on turn.

Never limp into any pot unless you are blind with horrible hand(ex.J6SB) if you have a hand always raise. Utg def has a hand he wants to see for cheap,88 or something
You limping increases his value of winning. Put pressure on ppl in hand

Formula330 said:

Sorry for my noobness but what are you saying by 23/15 range?

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The first number is VPIP or Voluntarily putting chips in pot.
The second number is PFR or Pre-Flop Raises.

Thus, 23/15 means he plays 23% of hands and raises 15% of those.

Formula330 said:

Sorry for my noobness but what are you saying by 23/15 range?

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JohnBoyWWFC said:

The first number is VPIP or Voluntarily putting chips in pot.
The second number is PFR or Pre-Flop Raises.

Thus, 23/15 means he plays 23% of hands and raises 15% of those.

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download pokertracker 3 trial which will give you a HUD, which is where these numbers come from.

JohnBoyWWFC said:

The first number is VPIP or Voluntarily putting chips in pot.
The second number is PFR or Pre-Flop Raises.

Thus, 23/15 means he plays 23% of hands and raises 15% of those.

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+1

Thanks

Formula330 said:

Thanks

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You could use Holdem Manager also

WVHillbilly said:

Check/fold on turn.

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Thanks, what would you say about this scenario here?

Your sitting with around 15bbs with QQ on button and ML position open shoves all in for just under 3bbs, the BB has about 20bbs and sb looking around 8-9bbs. Would you flat call in position to try and get one of the blinds to go for a squeeze play or tag along or do you re-shove given your stack size?