I tried a HUD and it seems somewhat pointless for tournaments, correct or not?

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I tried a HUD for the first time today, the PT3 one.

I tested most of the options that are available and play a few cash games and tournaments. I've noticed for cash, it seems very useful because you aren't switching tables so the options come into play but for SnG's/MTT's is seems somewhat pointless because by the time there are enough hands in the database to produce a "read" on how people are playing, you maybe get a few more hands in then your switching tables and the stats reset again because you don't have an info on the other players.

Do people use a HUD for SnG's/MTT's? I could maybe see a use if you are multi tabling STT SnG's but not for MTT SnG's and standard MTT's. Even the STT SnG's are a bit sceptical especially if they are turbos because by the time the stats become useful you are probably down to the last 3 or 4 players and most will be in push/fold mode.

The only "use" is the M calculator of every player but this seems a waste of cpu resources using it and I don't think I'd buy it for this reason only..

Am I totally off with this?

Like I say I can see a huge benefit with Cash games, just not MTT's.
 
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If you play the same SNG stakes often, you will often see the same players more than once, often several times...it helps to see how they have played in the past.

Also, some information is better than no information!
 
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I don't play alot of volume (maybe 1500sng on one site, 500 on another sort of thing).. but even I've been on the same tables with players.. many, many times... especially if you're playing one particular format (ie. I prefer to play the 45's & there's a group of regs. on there who play tons of them & you'll see them quite often... there's also some who are REALLY bad & who play alot of them too).
Like edgie said, "any info. is useful" (or can be useful depending upon how you're able to apply it).
With HUD stats., for MTT or SNG.. you're looking at diff #'s then you'd be focusing on during cash games. Alot of the MTT regs. don't bother to use HEM or PT3, but many do as well. I think alot of newer players lose focus on some basic fundamentals during play by focusing too much on HUD.
Squee has pretty cool way to set up a HUD for MTT play (there's a vid. he's put out on DTB). Also, there are lots of vids. out there for setting up HUD, depending upon what type of game you're playing (ie. if playing DoNs it's obviously going to be much different than if you're playing 6maxNL).

Personally I don't bother to use one at the moment. I've had a PT3 trial in the past but idk... I didn't have the patience at the time to discover why the f'n thing was making my computer lag a bit (brand new computer too... not like I was running on some archaic 1GB RAM deal). I've been considering purchasing HEM & then putting in the time to setting it up to how I feel I'd benefit the most from it. To be honest though, I've taken out almost all of my poker bankroll on the very site I prefer playing on the most.... so I will once again be grinding up a roll & in the games I'll be playing I really don't believe I need it at all (ie. $5-$10 27-45plyr. SNG's). I also play MTTs on other sites (where I'm rolled better) but they either don't have option for HUD display.. or I still don't think it's that big of a deal where I'd be needing it at this point.
I guess long story short(er)...... I'm planning on purchasing HEM, then setting it up based on what I'm playing & what I've read that would seem effective/beneficial. (oh oh.. story gonna get longer here now...).. also keeping in mind that while doing so I will be dropping some games (will be playing less tables... or less MTTs at the time, to get better aquainted with it). This process will take a bit of time I'm pretty sure.... and is another reason why I haven't bothered with it yet. (aside from the PT3 Trial).
 
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If nothing else it's helpful to analyze your own play.

It's probably more useful for cash, but for SNG's it can be almost as useful, since you see a lot of the same players. Not quite as much for scheduled MTT's, but still worth having imo.
 
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I use tournament indicator for my sng's and find it helpful. It classes you in six different colors based on how desperate you should be. Has some kind of calculation to class you in the zone and is more specific then saying I have 6 BB's left. The HUD part of it also keeps your opponents tendencies available to you which can never hurt.
 
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Like others have said any info if better than no info.

If you're multi tabling then the HUD can come into it's own in giving you an additional read on the opponent. Like Orifice said yes you can over rely on it but even just seeing the VPIP/PFR of your opponents can help your decision making.
 
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Also, some information is better than no information!

I totally agree with edgie on this point...some information is better than noone, HUD will help u identify the regs and how to exploit them, and it's a great help if u play a lot of tables at the same time...
 
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Well, HUDs are amazingly helpful in any circumstance including tournaments of all sorts...but only if used properly. Many people look at the stats as the rock solid truth but in reality (unless you happen to have hundreds of hands on your opponent) they should be used to help in developing a greater ability to guess, estimate, and predict.

Even in a mtt having a hud is valuable. if we have been on the same table for more than five rounds or so, which happens often especially in the later stages of tournaments, the stats will help create reads...not saying the stats will give you a definite read...but it'll get you closer than without them. Add in any hands we've seen our opponents play and we build a better read. sharkscope your opponents and now you're even closer to a definite read.

Information piles on top of itself, every little but helps. There is a such thing as information overload, so minimizing the stats on the hud is helpful.
 
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Well, HUDs are amazingly helpful in any circumstance including tournaments of all sorts...but only if used properly. Many people look at the stats as the rock solid truth but in reality (unless you happen to have hundreds of hands on your opponent) they should be used to help in developing a greater ability to guess, estimate, and predict.

Even in a mtt having a hud is valuable. if we have been on the same table for more than five rounds or so, which happens often especially in the later stages of tournaments, the stats will help create reads...not saying the stats will give you a definite read...but it'll get you closer than without them. Add in any hands we've seen our opponents play and we build a better read. sharkscope your opponents and now you're even closer to a definite read.

Information piles on top of itself, every little but helps. There is a such thing as information overload, so minimizing the stats on the hud is helpful.

pretty much this. Give me even 30 hands on some players and I'll already have them pretty much nailed down.

Using the right HUD stats definitely helps later in MTTs. I've stolen and restolen more chips in MTTs than i can count, solely because I noticed some stats that pointed me towards restealing. (Even when i was otherwise not paying attention)

Of course stats aren't everything, but when i see a guy is stealing 70% of the time after 50 hands from LP, then I an re-stealing from him with almost anything. It's all about knowing what stats to put in your HUD... and then knowing what they really mean.
 
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Also, some information is better than no information!
With in 20 to 30 hands i can pick out whos doing what, without a HUD.

Well, HUDs are amazingly helpful in any circumstance including tournaments of all sorts...but only if used properly. Many people look at the stats as the rock solid truth but in reality (unless you happen to have hundreds of hands on your opponent) they should be used to help in developing a greater ability to guess, estimate, and predict.

Even in a mtt having a hud is valuable. if we have been on the same table for more than five rounds or so, which happens often especially in the later stages of tournaments, the stats will help create reads...not saying the stats will give you a definite read...but it'll get you closer than without them. Add in any hands we've seen our opponents play and we build a better read. sharkscope your opponents and now you're even closer to a definite read.

Information piles on top of itself, every little but helps. There is a such thing as information overload, so minimizing the stats on the hud is helpful.
That Sir killed my play, since then i don't depend on it or use it, well all but for my own stats.
it maybe great for multiple table players, but is does not do me much good. I look at it this way, if you play a real table and depend on a HUD, you won't know how to deal with a real table.
Unless i am wrong on this.
 
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With in 20 to 30 hands i can pick out whos doing what, without a HUD.


That Sir killed my play, since then i don't depend on it or use it, well all but for my own stats.
it maybe great for multiple table players, but is does not do me much good. I look at it this way, if you play a real table and depend on a HUD, you won't know how to deal with a real table.
Unless i am wrong on this.

I think so (that you're wrong, that is :eek:).
 
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becoming dependent on anything is a bad idea, using it to improve your understanding of stats and player types is always advised
 
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becoming dependent on anything is a bad idea, using it to improve your understanding of stats and player types is always advised

No wonder you are a Coach
 
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becoming dependent on anything is a bad idea, using it to improve your understanding of stats and player types is always advised
I see what you are saying, i +1 it.
Sites are always updating, it could stop HUD from working, if your dependent on it you are stuck.

If i am watching the game and nothing else, i will remember how many times the button steals, gos the same with the SB.

I know how to mess with someone running a HUD, but that's a whole new thread in its self. :D
 
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I just loaded the PT3 trial myself and have already found it somewhat informative. On both ring games and tournaments. I do not rely on it, but any info is useful. I still make my notes on hands played and style of play. One of my personal weak points is paying enough attention to other players and this could be a useful crutch on that front.

As for analyzing my own game, it looks like it could be really useful. I found some uncomfortable leaks in my game -- ones that I had not even thought about. On top of the ones I knew about. It turns out that I really should not be playing KQ quite as readily as I do, for instance -- but I knew that, I suppose. :) There is actually so much information that I'm going to have to parse it out carefully.

I really want 2011 to be a year where I do a better job of improving my game from the inside. If the database/HUD helps, that will be great.
 
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Pretty much what everyone said, as far as the "it helps to have more info" stuff goes. I play primarily SnGs, but maybe 10% MTTs as well.

I just had a primer from my coach about how to use HEM to spot my leaks and improve my game. For this reason alone it is worth the price IMO.

Another CCer also showed me how he uses filters in different situations.

All this really opened my eyes to things HEM can do, and if you want to take the time to use it to its fullest, a very useful tool.
 
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As everyone else has said, any info is good info
I use PT3 and although I don't always make decisions based on the stats it does help in certain situation.
The very quiet player who all of sudden comes over the top of your raise
and he has only played in less than 10% of the hands dealt
Or the guy who is in every pot, and always raising

I don't rely on these things but they do help make my decisions easier (not always right but easier)

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