Did i Play this hand ok?

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Romaniac69

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Hi all, i playd the 3.30 tournament on stars and busted on 16th place.I wish to know some opinions if i play'd this hand ok or i could hawe folded and extended my tournament life...

MY QQ didn't hold :)
Thanks for any responds:)




pokerstars Hand #188740049268: Tournament #2350351149, $2.94+$0.36 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXV (9000/18000) - 2018/07/15 8:28:01 MSK [2018/07/15 1:28:01 ET]
Table '2350351149 65' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Silexx8 (556654 in chips)
Seat 2: SLAPSTICK_M3 (179262 in chips)
Seat 3: Lauvus (124066 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: D-Trunk1 (821422 in chips)
Seat 5: moreon2 (418032 in chips)
Seat 7: zezo_filho (602250 in chips)
Seat 8: 2short2fold (774331 in chips)
Seat 9: aedarb88 (363066 in chips)
Silexx8: posts the ante 1750
SLAPSTICK_M3: posts the ante 1750
Lauvus: posts the ante 1750
D-Trunk1: posts the ante 1750
moreon2: posts the ante 1750
zezo_filho: posts the ante 1750
2short2fold: posts the ante 1750
aedarb88: posts the ante 1750
2short2fold: posts small blind 9000
aedarb88: posts big blind 18000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aedarb88 [Qh Qs]
Silexx8: folds
SLAPSTICK_M3: folds
Lauvus: folds
D-Trunk1: folds
moreon2: folds
zezo_filho: raises 18000 to 36000
2short2fold: raises 72000 to 108000
aedarb88: calls 90000
zezo_filho: calls 72000
*** FLOP *** [5h 6h 4c]
2short2fold: bets 664581 and is all-in
aedarb88: calls 253316 and is all-in
zezo_filho: folds
Uncalled bet (411265) returned to 2short2fold
*** TURN *** [5h 6h 4c] 3♣
*** RIVER *** [5h 6h 4c 3c] J♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2short2fold: shows [As Ah] (a pair of Aces)
aedarb88: shows [Qh Qs] (a pair of Queens)
2short2fold collected 844632 from pot
aedarb88 finished the tournament in 16th place and received $27.38.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 844632 | Rake 0
Board [5h 6h 4c 3c Jc]
Seat 1: Silexx8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SLAPSTICK_M3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Lauvus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: D-Trunk1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: moreon2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: zezo_filho (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: 2short2fold (small blind) showed [As Ah] and won (844632) with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: aedarb88 (big blind) showed [Qh Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
 
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I would just shove pre-flop, u have 20 bbs left..
Sure, this time outcome would be the same, but in a long run shoving here is best option.
 
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In my opinion, you played the hand poorly. You have 20BB's in a $3 MTT, it's never a call, you should go ALL-IN preflop or FOLD. Most of the time you will be a favorite or in a flip and once in a while you will be crushed. Don't beat yourself up about it, this will not happen every time, accept it and move on. Congrats on your win. Next time you will do better.
 
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Thanks all! The only way i may hawe folded the sb all in was if an A was on the flop :)) And next time i will showe All in pf.
 
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@Romaniac69, please use some of hand converter next time! It's so hard to read raw hand histories and isn't really fun. You can use these one for example: http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/import.php



Second thing is, it's better to hide or atleast spoiler a hand of your villain, so the results will not affect thinking process.
 
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I just did converted this hand for you and look how much better it look now!



Hand Information
PokerStars No Limit, 18000 BB (8 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 Player 1 ($556654)
Seat: 2 Player 2 ($179262)
Seat: 3 Player 3 ($124066)
Seat: 4 Player 4 ($821422)
Seat: 5 Player 5 ($418032)
Seat: 7 Player 7 ($602250) Dealer
Seat: 8 Player 8 ($774331) Small Blind
Seat: 9 Hero ($363066) Big Blind
Seat 1Player 1 Ante: 1750
Seat 2Player 2 Ante: 1750
Seat 3Player 3 Ante: 1750
Seat 4Player 4 Ante: 1750
Seat 5Player 5 Ante: 1750
Seat 7Player 7 Ante: 1750
Seat 8Player 8 Ante: 1750
Seat 9Hero Ante: 1750
Dealt to Hero
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Preflop (Pot:41000)
Player 1 FOLD
Player 2 FOLD
Player 3 FOLD
Player 4 FOLD
Player 5 FOLD
Player 7 RAISE $36000
Player 8 RAISE $108000
Hero CALL $90000
Player 7 CALL $72000

Flop(Pot: $350500)
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Player 8 ALL-IN
Hero ALL-IN
Player 7 FOLD
Player 8 RETURN $411265

Turn(Pot: $1259397)
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4C.png
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River(Pot: $1259397)
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4C.png
3♣.png
J♣.png


Showdown:
Player 8 SHOWS
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Hero SHOWS
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QS.png


Player 8 wins the pot: $1259397

Now can i read it better and say what i think about the play. :)
Pre-Flop: Honestly, instead of calling 90K, paying by that about 1/4 of your stack and letting the player on BU coming in pot too, i would shove instantly, because seeing Ace or King on Flop and being in a bad position with a 3rd best starting hand is not what we want to achieve. On other side by shoving Pre, you could probably manage a really good situation, when JJ, TT, 99, 88 maybe calls you or even AJ or AT. Even against AK you are staying 50-50.
Flop: There are good and bad news here. Good news there are no Ace or King, still bad news are 2 villains in pot and its flushed and coordinated board. However thinking that some of them took part in such action on Pre-Flop with 78 or 34 would be pretty sick of them even for Micro Limits.. So we got a shove from a player on SB and we simply can't fold here. We can't put our villain always on KK or AA, when we have QQ in this situation. That would be totally paranoid and better not to play poker at all with such thoughts in head. We are ahead against so many hands.. suited Overcards or 88+. Funny but 77 would be worst of them with OESD, but well. But as i said before, the problem of that call on Pre-Flop instead of shove. Now we have 2 villains in pot and our risks to loose a hand grows dramatically by that. I've see the guy on SB showed Aces at the end and it was a real bad luck for you. It happens, you was doomed to loose, no matter at Pre-Flop or Flop, but with QQ you should always be wishing having all of your chips in the middle, earlier is better.
 
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Exactly; also not shoving pre-flop, means that with his c-bet, you will fold your hand if flop gives A or K..and villian can hold JJ, TT, 99..i i mean he can push you even with weaker hand..
Not to mention that there are small chances for you to double up in this hand after flop comes out..if he is Ax on this kind of board he will just fold..
So, basicly, if you want to get something from this hand it almost has to be pre-flop..
 
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Thanks, i know now that the correct play was push all in pf..I playd that hand scared of AA,KK o even AK suited.You know in online poker there are alot of plays like AA vs KK etc . I trie'd to convert the hand with pokerhandreplays but on this forum they don't alowed me the url
 
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Agree shove the preflop, same outcome, or fold to that cbet.
 
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There was only a 9% chance that you were up against KK or AA so you just got unlucky here. All the money was going in whether it was pre or post flop, but at least by not shoving preflop you gave yourself a chance to get away from an A or K on the flop.
 
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In this situation you should be 4betting or folding. I know a fold here is very nitty but take into consideration the fact that the SB had no worry of being squeezed. They showed that by 3betting. It's a very polarized range. In this situation I'd be thinking at best I'm facing 99-JJ, AJs, or AQs 24 combos. Then at worst I'd be facing QQ+ or AK 29 combos. This would have me thinking the fold button if it's all I have to base my opinion on. Next I'd be taking into consideration what type of players I'm facing. In a spot like this, deep in a tournament you need to really dig deep to find the proper moves. Here is tough but it should've been a 4 bet shove because of chip stack or a fold.
 
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