Did I play AK correctly here?

Was wanting anyone's opinion on how I played this.

Playing a $6.00 MTT. 150 entrants and probably half of those still left.
Blinds were 100/200
My chip Stack was approx 4,000 (20 BB's).
Im in Middle Position when the UTG (with similar stack) raises pre-flop to 600. He had just been seated at the table so I have no read on his play. I push allin with my AK suited. Everyone else folds and he calls with 88 and I do not catch my overcard. The flop came Q,J, 2 rainbow.
In review of this hand I was wondering if it would of just been best to Reraise him to maybe 1400 to 1600. Then push allin on the flop. The two overcards scaring him into a fold perhaps.
Interested in your opinion.
Thanks

When you call an all-in preflop with AK you are often going to be in a coin-flip situation.

It boils down to this question:

Can you outplay the opponents at your table well enough, that you do not need to be in a 50/50 or a 60/40?

To simplify:

If you are better than most of the players at your table: FOLD

If you are the worst player at the table, then I would CALL


What do I know, I don't even have 100 posts...

JDAWG5 said:

When you call an all-in preflop with AK you are often going to be in a coin-flip situation.

It boils down to this question:

Can you outplay the opponents at your table well enough, that you do not need to be in a 50/50 or a 60/40?

To simplify:

If you are better than most of the players at your table: FOLD

If you are the worst player at the table, then I would CALL


What do I know, I don't even have 100 posts...

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This is totally incorrect, the only considerations should be pot odds and equity vs. their range, no one has a skill advantage big enough to pass up +EV calls in a tournament with half the field still left.

As for the hand itself, AK and 20 BBs is a super fist-pump shove.

We are all guilty of overplaying this hand. I probably just would of called - which is probably wrong as well LOL.

given68 said:

We are all guilty of overplaying this hand. I probably just would of called - which is probably wrong as well LOL.

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baudib1 said:

This is totally incorrect, the only considerations should be pot odds and equity vs. their range, no one has a skill advantage big enough to pass up +EV calls in a tournament with half the field still left.

As for the hand itself, AK and 20 BBs is a super fist-pump shove.

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And that is why I am a donk...

JDAWG5 said:

And that is why I am a donk...

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Lol, what does that even mean?

only_bridge said:

Lol, what does that even mean?

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That was my reaction when I read the bold.

I don't understand all of the stats like EV and equity vs. IVE stuff

When I play with my friends I categorize them into different groups like "aggressive" or "passive"

So I don't get all the stats stuff

sorry

What baudib said is correct. You can't pass up this no matter how good you are. Folding would be absolutey horrific. Also don't post results, they are irrelevant to your actions.

JDAWG5 said:

That was my reaction when I read the bold.

I don't understand all of the stats like EV and equity vs. IVE stuff

When I play with my friends I categorize them into different groups like "aggressive" or "passive"

So I don't get all the stats stuff

sorry

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EV = expected value, it can be thought of in terms of chips or BB.

equity is basically how many chips we can expect to win from the pot. If a pot is 10,000 and we have 80% equity we have 8000 chips in equity.

In tihs pot we can presume we have no FE when we shove. Give villian a range of AQ+, 88+. 4300 will be in pot so you need 48.2% equity to make shove +ev (in terms of chips). Against range I've given him you have 50.7% equity. That's basically what equity against somebodies range is.

Not really adressing my question. My thinking is if I reraise and he pushes all in then I call because I had all intensions of playing this allin anyways. If I move allin as I did and he calls then all play is done and the cards only will determine the winner. But if I reraise and then push on the flop then he has two over cards staring him in the face perhaps to entice a fold. My actions in the end would be the same... To get all my chips in.

nc_royals said:

Not really adressing my question. My thinking is if I reraise and he pushes all in then I call because I had all intensions of playing this allin anyways. If I move allin as I did and he calls then all play is done and the cards only will determine the winner. But if I reraise and then push on the flop then he has two over cards staring him in the face perhaps to entice a fold. My actions in the end would be the same... To get all my chips in.

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Yes, i like the reraise with like you said, if he goes all in, you are there anyways. But you have that second chance he folds after the flop when he sees the over cards. You may want to consider witing after the flop and let your clock run down.

Go-and-go doesn't work with stack sizes, stop and go would be fine.

baudib1 said:

Go-and-go doesn't work with stack sizes, stop and go would be fine.

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Not sure I'm following what you are saying. Please explain in a little more detail.

nc_royals said:

Not sure I'm following what you are saying. Please explain in a little more detail.

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With these stack sizes he is not going to flat a raise and fold on the flop. He's going to ship it in pre or fold like 99% of the time, unless he's a total retard.

Instead, to get the effect that you want, flat and shove the flop. This is called a stop-and-go.

stop n go is done too increase FE, we have a very nice hand so we don't want to increase FE. Doing anything but getting it in is horrible. You should want him to call with 8's, not fold them.

We'd be last to act here, yes? So stop-n-go and it's different variations wouldn't work, unless I'm just confused. Otherwise I agree with baudib and BlueNowhere.

Also, what site is this on? Does it give hand histories?

Yea we would be last to act. I just saw it being talked about and didn'y look at what position people were in.

oh yah obviously you have to be first to act to stop-n-go.

I think the stop-n-go with AK (assuming good stack sizes for it) is preferable unless they're calling with all sorts of dominated hands.

Having someone call with a range that has, say, 45% equity is great but getting them to fold hands with as much as 75% equity on the flop is probably better.

BlueNowhere said:

In tihs pot we can presume we have no FE when we shove. Give villian a range of AQ+, 88+. 4300 will be in pot so you need 48.2% equity to make shove +ev (in terms of chips). Against range I've given him you have 50.7% equity. That's basically what equity against somebodies range is.

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no way is his range that tight

Pascal-lf said:

no way is his range that tight

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I was showing even against tight players shoving is profitable in this spot, not an accurate estimate of his range.

baudib1 said:

This is totally incorrect, the only considerations should be pot odds and equity vs. their range, no one has a skill advantage big enough to pass up +EV calls in a tournament with half the field still left.

As for the hand itself, AK and 20 BBs is a super fist-pump shove.

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This by far is the best advice in this thread

i myself would have made the reraise to about 1850 and made a decision from there. now i would have folded to an all in because i LOOSE FLIPS haha.

I would have just called and see the flop.....with QJ2, i would make a pot bet. it should end there.....if he still call on that, i would fire another on the turn to take the pot down.

heads up like that....it's a toss, i would call you with 55 lolz