Did I make the right play?

Hey! Hopefully you guys can help me out here.

3.30$ Bounty Builder, 7 left out of 10k. 230$ guaranteed and 70$ already locked up in bounties.

UTG opens 2,2BBs ( Very loose, is Chip Leader ~60BBs ), LJ Shoves his 21BBs stack ( not really loose but seen him making some agressive plays, I put him on TT+, AKo, AKs ) I'm in the HJ with 17BBs and with AcKc.

Should I call the shove?

There are 2 short stacks on the table with about 14BBs and the rest of the players ( except the chip leader ) have about 25BBs.
Against the range I put Villain on, I have 46% equity, and pot odds equate to 44%.
I called, because not only do I technically have the pot odds to call, but also because if I win the pot, I would be 2nd in chips and would probably comfortably get to the top 3 and of course if Villain has AK, we chop.
I'm not quite sure if I should have called, because I could outlast at least 1 short stack, therefore winning 100$ more due to the pay jump. But I do like to think that playing for the Win is quite important, so taking that gamble and possibly going HU ( 1st 2000$ ; 2nd 1000$ +bounties ) is a more profitable play in the long run. But I'm not sure.

( Villain had TT and I lost the flip )

Sorry if I didn't structure my Post very well...

I'm happy to hear any Comments/Tips/Criticism

The call is right if going for the win, but ICMwise I'm not sure. There is lots of AQ/AJ in his range that you dominate, plus the QQ/JJ/TT that you flip against. I would probably make the same move. You just got unlucky

Meepomancer1122 said:

The call is right if going for the win, but ICMwise I'm not sure. There is lots of AQ/AJ in his range that you dominate, plus the QQ/JJ/TT that you flip against. I would probably make the same move. You just got unlucky

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He might have some AQs, but he wasn't that loose to shove AJ I think. I would certainly have folded AQs and maybe AKo too because at first look his shove seemed very strong to me.
Well, it makes me feel better that you say that I made the right play, but honestly I don't really mind too much busting the Tournament, that's Poker ;P

I'm all in every time here unless he is a total nit. While looking to move up the pay latter here makes sense I would go for the win every time. You make the correct call in my opinion,

I think you right call with AKs but unluck.

I would do same thing like you, AKs is to strong to fold, he could have anything. For me play for win in your situation is right way. ,, Who dares- wins”

What was the prize structure / what were the bounties? It's probably hard to say if the call was correct value-wise without knowing the value of going from 7th-wherever, waiting out the short stacks, knocking out Lj

My opinion

The call should of been based on weather or not you were do for a hand or not. If you just won the previous hand it would be a god idea to fold. Those things happen when you play after a decent win. If you hadn't won a hand in a while, it was a good call. The poker Gods just smiled on him this time.

Also your opponent may want to steal the blinds and UTG minraise, anyway you decided right.

spr0ck3t said:

What was the prize structure / what were the bounties? It's probably hard to say if the call was correct value-wise without knowing the value of going from 7th-wherever, waiting out the short stacks, knocking out Lj

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Tournament like this, but of course the prize fund depends on the number of participants. And late registration about 2 hours, without rebuys and addons.

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Andrey Krok said:

Tournament like this, but of course the prize fund depends on the number of participants. And late check in about 2 hours.

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sorry, not familiar with that particular one - it depends on the actual difference in cash value for the prizes (if there's a normal cash pool for a certain however many places and not just bounties), and the bounties involved themselves. an icm calculator should be able to tell you for sure.

if it's a mistake, it's probably a close mistake though.

ken nielson said:

I'm all in every time here unless he is a total nit. While looking to move up the pay latter here makes sense I would go for the win every time. You make the correct call in my opinion,

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No, he wasn't a nit. Ok that's awesome, thanks for the reply

spr0ck3t said:

What was the prize structure / what were the bounties? It's probably hard to say if the call was correct value-wise without knowing the value of going from 7th-wherever, waiting out the short stacks, knocking out Lj

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The prize structure was something like: 1st 2k; 2nd 1.2k; 3rd ~900; 4th ~600; 5th ~450; 6th 330; 7th 230. Only one of the short stacks had a big bounty (~60$) + One with a stack of about 24BBs (<100$) and the LJ had a bounty of about 30$ and the rest ( except for the chip leader, which had a bounty of 100$, had small bounties of about 10-15$. I wouldn't have knocked out the LJ in that All In though, as he had more chips than me.

UncleConRon said:

The call should of been based on weather or not you were do for a hand or not. If you just won the previous hand it would be a god idea to fold. Those things happen when you play after a decent win. If you hadn't won a hand in a while, it was a good call. The poker Gods just smiled on him this time.

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I think I won an All-In a few hands ago with ATs against KJ or something similar ( had about 9 or 10BBs at that time ). But I don't know how that should play into my decision there, could you elaborate? Thanks

Andrey Krok said:

Also your opponent may want to steal the blinds and UTG minraise, anyway you decided right.

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Yeah, that was what I was thinking too. Thanks

I would play like you, so i think you made a right choice.

OloMeister said:

The prize structure was something like: 1st 2k; 2nd 1.2k; 3rd ~900; 4th ~600; 5th ~450; 6th 330; 7th 230. Only one of the short stacks had a big bounty (~60$) + One with a stack of about 24BBs (<100$) and the LJ had a bounty of about 30$ and the rest ( except for the chip leader, which had a bounty of 100$, had small bounties of about 10-15$. I wouldn't have knocked out the LJ in that All In though, as he had more chips than me.

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Definitely not saying I'm right (I'd definitely plug it in an ICM calculator with those values) but with that prize structure it kind of feels like a fold to me - letting one of the stacks bust out/cripple themselves and secure yourself going from $230-$330 feels like value.

this was correct play end you have to win some coin flip to win...aks is ok.. aq, ako is fold for me to

bakreni said:

this was correct play end you have to win some coin flip to win...aks is ok.. aq, ako is fold for me to

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Yeah, I would probably have folded AKo and certainly AQ. So that's nice to hear

I have lost more chips calling with AK. I usually use this hand when I am being aggressive or acting first, but when someone else shoves, it is a good time to fold. Also, let the other two players knock each other out.

sheltowee420 said:

I have lost more chips calling with AK. I usually use this hand when I am being aggressive or acting first, but when someone else shoves, it is a good time to fold. Also, let the other two players knock each other out.

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Ye, but UTG is 99% not calling LJ's shove, UTG was opening super wide.

It would be better to have more detailed info or the hand history , in order for some guys to run it in ICMizer or something like that. Apparently the spot seems very marginal and I don't know if it is +/- EV as a play but ICM wise I feel like you have an easy fold here.

Initial opener may be a loose player but still he open raises from EP, theoretically you have 2 potential pay jumps because of the 2 shorter stacks of your table.

LJ Shoves his 21BBs stack ( not really loose but seen him making some agressive plays, I put him on TT+, AKo, AKs )

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If you have a solid read of the player then why did you still call? Are you going for the split in best case scenario? Because you are a massive underdog for his TT+ range here.

The worst part is that both players have you covered , the dynamics would be way more different if your stack was bigger.

I had all the time to think over and over again this situation , you didn't have all this time and you were under pressure.
No matter what congratulations for your score!

you can make more hero calls becouse its bounty tour.

Playing at the final table, I would have called with your hand. Even without knowing the structure of the awards, it is enough for me that this is a mtt tournament and a final table.

Probably I’d play it like you.