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Live tournament, final table 8 handed. Hero 21 BBs, showing strong hands and with a tight-agressive image. Villain I about 33 BBs, experienced player, playing a little bit loose, blinds 7k/3.5K. Villain open up from MP 2 15k, evereyone folds, SB calls and hero at the BB call with 86s (clubs).

Flop A 6 J, spades. SB check, Hero check, Villain thinks and check.

Turn comes another J. SB check, hero check, Villain bets 15k. Hero thinks about its image at the table and about the loose play in past hands and puts Villain on small pair/draw, raises to 30k. Villain think and call.

River T spades. Hero checks and Villain checks. Villain shows KTs clubs.

My question is: what could the villain, being a experienced player, think in calling with K high at the turn after the reraise?
 
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It's hard to say, seems pretty fishy. You said he was experienced but playing loose but if he was experienced he should fold to the re raise... he was drawing for a Q is my guess but he should have folded is what I'm having troubles with
 
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It's hard to say, seems pretty fishy. You said he was experienced but playing loose but if he was experienced he should fold to the re raise... he was drawing for a Q is my guess but he should have folded is what I'm having troubles with

He was playing solid, but as the blind went up, he started playing looser, pretty standard play, and I said that he is experienced because he is the owner's place and plays for like 5-10 years, I know that doesnt mean anything, but I guess that he is not the kind of players that calls a reraise at the turn with a gut-shot and a 3 color flop.
 
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That hand would be an auto fold for me. I have the low whole cards and flop the full house after the flush, beating myself for doing it. online poker is hard to judge someone sitting through a screen. Yes u can make small notes about them, but after all. There are a ton of poor judgement while playing online.
 
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i don't always bust, but when I do it's always 3rd pair no kicker no fold equity
Dont go bust in a limped pt

So many things go wrong here.

1. Fold or just shove pre OOP in BB 21bb piece of sh*t hand even if it was sooootid
2. lolminraise fu bend over
3. bwahaha u lose dont play sh*t hands out of position or get fancy with 21 bb

You can't say XYZ is my image. How many hands? Is villain even paying attention? Is villain drunk? Is OP drunker? Is it Taco Tuesday? Tomorrow?
 
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Sounds like he had a read on you. Your image meant nothing and it's obvious he isn't thinking of it.
Pre-flop you just called his raise. Although your hand isn't anything but a speculative hand but if you're playing your "tight" image then you're going to want to raise here pre-flop and take control of the pot although you'll be out of position.
Flop: everyone checks and it seems fishy. If he raised it then a c-bet is in order regardless of his hand hitting. The board is very wet and would get any player to fold that didn't hit it.
Turn: you checked raise and in my opinion maybe a little light. You're trying to assume control of the hand, too little too late. A good 2/3 pot size bet here may work.
River: so you checked raise the turn but then you check the river. You gave him the pot by not making your own c-bet. Your hand was horrible but you expect your "image" to win this pot although you played it weakly. If image is what you're after then you are going to have to bet like you got the nuts.
 
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Sounds like he had a read on you. Your image meant nothing and it's obvious he isn't thinking of it.
Pre-flop you just called his raise. Although your hand isn't anything but a speculative hand but if you're playing your "tight" image then you're going to want to raise here pre-flop and take control of the pot although you'll be out of position.
Flop: everyone checks and it seems fishy. If he raised it then a c-bet is in order regardless of his hand hitting. The board is very wet and would get any player to fold that didn't hit it.
Turn: you checked raise and in my opinion maybe a little light. You're trying to assume control of the hand, too little too late. A good 2/3 pot size bet here may work.
River: so you checked raise the turn but then you check the river. You gave him the pot by not making your own c-bet. Your hand was horrible but you expect your "image" to win this pot although you played it weakly. If image is what you're after then you are going to have to bet like you got the nuts.

That's exactly what I was thinking, I should have pushed on the turn, or at least 2/3 the pot, but that's it, playing and learning. Thanks for the analysis.
 
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i don't always bust, but when I do it's always 3rd pair no kicker no fold equity
Dont go bust in a limped pt

So many things go wrong here.

1. Fold or just shove pre OOP in BB 21bb piece of sh*t hand even if it was sooootid
2. lolminraise fu bend over
3. bwahaha u lose dont play sh*t hands out of position or get fancy with 21 bb

You can't say XYZ is my image. How many hands? Is villain even paying attention? Is villain drunk? Is OP drunker? Is it Taco Tuesday? Tomorrow?

Maybe I could get a call pre flop if SB had small pair or something, I guess it could be a wrong play. I didnt fold just because i hadnt played a "underdog" hand since the beggining of the tournnament, I judged that it was the perfect time to get some chips with a weaker hand.
 
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Hello since it is a final table, in all hands can not leave high cards, time to play many times blind and not hecahrte back to the aggression of another player.
 
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interesting hand. dont over think things.
 
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