Originally Posted by Bengals_Boy
Well i fisnished 97 (out of 5000).I am so pissed.I got donked out yet again.Got rivered out with a dude that shoved A4 on the turn caught the staright on the river.(i had A's n K's The flop went K 3 A 5 2 with no flush draw)Had him dominated and yet again im sittin here pissed.
Lol well we've all experienced this type of horsesh1t on a couple of the big poker rooms haven't we?! I'm not even going to try and work out the crazy odds of villain hitting that draw because it will just depress me further.
The question is, is it possible to avoid these rather obvious "interferences" by the hosting software? Often I'd say no, it's not. If you're playing good poker then you'll be getting ur chips well in which is exactly what it's looking for.
However I'd always say that the ONLY ways for you to drop out of any tournament is to shove all your chips in on one hand or get blinded out. If you can possibly avoid shoving all your chips in then you greatly reduce the risk of dropping out.
AK is a perilous hand for shoving with any time esp on FT and PS. AQ equally so. They will get you into all manner of trouble.
When the board came K 3 A and you see your big 2 pair and the chance of a full house I'd say think for a minute. You just paired both your cards at odds of 3 in 48 each roughly. Combined that's 1 in 256 event ! That doesn't / shouldn't happen often with random cards so my view is "hang on something is hooky here !" At this stage I'm now wondering of villain is holding 33. That would be a classic "action hand", your 2 pair vs his trips.
When the 5 comes down on the turn K 3 A 5 we can now see a straight appearing. We could now strat to think that villain has 44 or 22 or A2, A4 The assessment depends on what you have seen of this player - i.e does he bet hard with Ace rag?. If he has been playing Ace Rag hands then we can assume he's a donk and that the system at some point will seek to give him a leg up. This could be that point.
His shove at this point would have led me to believe he holds either 33 or A4, A2 with 33 being most likely.
As good as AK looks at this point I'd have to ask myself do I really want to commit all my chips into the pot. I'd be asking myself what hands could he hold that I am still beating but which would inspire him to shove all-in?
A5 and A3 are good candidates but if you raised strong preflop (as u should have done) then he has to be worried about an AK holding or AA, KK. If he held a good pair like QQ, JJ, TT then equally he has to realise he is beat with the AK on the board.
Assuming you bet post flop and he called then he must have had reason for that looking at a K 3 A flop. Could be he had KQ, could be 33 and could be Ax. Most likely it's one of the latter 2.
In true poker odds
of course your flopped 2 pair is enormously favourite to anything he holds barring the 33 and AA, KK all of which are statistically unlikely. But as we know, online poker sites
are riddled with bad beats and hands like this one. So you have to factor this in.
The bottom line is that if you invested the lion's share of your stack preflop and postflop then you already put yourself in an undefendable position in regards to these kind of hands. I've done it myself loads of times. I sit around waiting for a decent hand, AKs pops up and I see red mist. All I can think about is getting my chips in and looking forward to either doubling up or trippling up and how far ahead I will be and how far ITM I will be once that happens. The greed takes over. It costs me my MTTs every time. The Bad Beat monster thrives on your greed.
So, with AK (and being such a fickle hand!) I'm not looking to end up having to shove all-in. Ideally I'd like to just skim a nice flop pot with it and finish the hand there rather than go ballistic with it. So I'm not going to whack too much in the pot preflop, maybe 3xBB but no more. I'd rather risk getting too many customers than narrowing down to 1 customer and get into an all-in testosterone battle for my MTT with such a fickle hand.
When the flop comes K 3 A I'm skeptical of what just happened. I like it, but it defied normal card odds and it shows all the hallmarks of a suck-out hand. If the villain is still interested after that flop then there is definitely something fishy to worry about. After K 3 A 5 and a shove from villain I'm definitely worried about a suck-out. I see the danger of A2 and A4 and 33 and 55. I might be ahead at this point but I certainly can't guarantee having the nuts.
So it comes down to this.
If at some point in your big MTT you are going to have to shove all your chips in and roll the dice, what kind of hand do you want to be holding when that time comes,
A Fullhouse - defintely
A Good Flush - Yes sir
A Straight - Yes as long as there's no flush or paired board
Trips - Yes as long as theres no straight or flush draws
2 Pair/1 pair - Hell no
No, after all the hours invested in the game to that point I don't want to be risking the entire thing holding just 2 pair ! Even if they are As and Ks.
It's just not enough. Duck out, pick a different spot and wait for your better hand.
If you get short stacked then obv that's a totally different matter. With a good stack though and having done all that work to grow it I hjust wouldn't want to risk it all on 1 hand holding just 2 pair. Just my view.
In truth, as I write this (c-r-a-p?) I'm mindful that I've done exactly what you did countless times and been sucked-out as a result. So I'm going to think harder myself before shoving/calling all-in without a top hand and see if that helps my game any.