I always lose with AA in tournaments

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I always love getting my cards and looking down at some aces, ever limps in to me, and I raise it 6BB. 2 of the limpers call me. Flop comes J57, 2 diamonds. Checks to me, so I jam (prob a little to aggressive, as I was deep stacked and prob could have went with a smaller raise) and of course the tournament big stack at my table calls with pocket jacks, and I lose and bust out. I know my all in shove was a bad move, but I wanted people drawing at the flush to have to pay, and I didn’t expect JJ as there was no raises prior to me. Does anyone think that if I did a smaller raise I would have been more in better shape? Or would I have got check raised and still prob called? Thanks everyone.
 
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I always love getting my cards and looking down at some aces, ever limps in to me, and I raise it 6BB. 2 of the limpers call me. Flop comes J57, 2 diamonds. Checks to me, so I jam (prob a little to aggressive, as I was deep stacked and prob could have went with a smaller raise) and of course the tournament big stack at my table calls with pocket jacks, and I lose and bust out. I know my all in shove was a bad move, but I wanted people drawing at the flush to have to pay, and I didn’t expect JJ as there was no raises prior to me. Does anyone think that if I did a smaller raise I would have been more in better shape? Or would I have got check raised and still prob called? Thanks everyone.
i think you were just unlucky to get it agaist a set. in this spot, it's hard to say what it's best, depends on how your opponent plays draws and made hands. but having a check or check raise option in this spot could be useful.
 
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you receive AA is a dream now let's know how to play it and all the action will depend on how the table is passive or aggressive if it is passive sends the card even if agres just limp that will agressive and you will give reraise and allim call
 
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Yea, the other issue is I was just moved to that table from another table, so only had like 5-6 hands at that table as well. Thanks for the info
 
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Scott, if this is happening online, always be careful of premium hands given to you immediately upon being moved to a new table. There is a reason why it happens and it is not random. I have a substantial amount of hand histories that show examples of these kinds of busts. Pay close attention to this pattern and you will see it in play against other players who are moved to your table.
 
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Scott, if this is happening online, always be careful of premium hands given to you immediately upon being moved to a new table. There is a reason why it happens and it is not random. I have a substantial amount of hand histories that show examples of these kinds of busts. Pay close attention to this pattern and you will see it in play against other players who are moved to your table.
We have a thread for conspiracy theories.https://www.cardschat.com/forum/bad-beats-vents-71/rigged-megathread-all-rigged-roads-lead-297777/
 
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Thanks for the reference. Everybody else that actually reads this, look at your hand histories and see for yourselves. I am specifically referring to Stars.. not sure how much it happens on 888 or others.
 
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I always love getting my cards and looking down at some aces, ever limps in to me, and I raise it 6BB. 2 of the limpers call me. Flop comes J57, 2 diamonds. Checks to me, so I jam (prob a little to aggressive, as I was deep stacked and prob could have went with a smaller raise) and of course the tournament big stack at my table calls with pocket jacks, and I lose and bust out. I know my all in shove was a bad move, but I wanted people drawing at the flush to have to pay, and I didn’t expect JJ as there was no raises prior to me. Does anyone think that if I did a smaller raise I would have been more in better shape? Or would I have got check raised and still prob called? Thanks everyone.
Perhaps it's all about this:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tou...-tournament-strategy-364727/post-4171347.html

Read this topic with a discussion of the strategy of the game in MTT.

Seth to the petty pair of the villain is the eternal curse of Texas Hold'em. You should always consider that no passive or aggressive pre-flop and flop game shows the presence of the villain 33. You should choose one of the two - play very carefully, and be ready to throw even the aces on an uncoordinated board (but in my opinion this is the way in a dead end), or be ready to be beaten in some cases, but in the rest - get your stack doubling and go ahead. :wink:
 
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I think U did ok to attack the big stack with that card. Just bad luck he hit a set. So he´d pay anything. One pair is just one pair, can easyly be beaten. I don´t like to go all in with one pair, even if it´s AA, KK or QQ.
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I always love getting my cards and looking down at some aces, ever limps in to me, and I raise it 6BB. 2 of the limpers call me. Flop comes J57, 2 diamonds. Checks to me, so I jam (prob a little to aggressive, as I was deep stacked and prob could have went with a smaller raise) and of course the tournament big stack at my table calls with pocket jacks, and I lose and bust out. I know my all in shove was a bad move, but I wanted people drawing at the flush to have to pay, and I didn’t expect JJ as there was no raises prior to me. Does anyone think that if I did a smaller raise I would have been more in better shape? Or would I have got check raised and still prob called? Thanks everyone.

First, try to post the stack sizes as well next time. It's an important part of your decision making especially in tournaments ^^


You should consider what you want to achieve with your bet, with a huge overbet like that you are only getting called by a few worse hands (KK,QQ, AKd, 6d8d, maybe some Jacks). Of which some are pretty unlikely since they didn't 3bet you preflop. So you're losing a lot of possible value you could get from the hand, while at the same time made sets are happy to get it in against you.


In general the board is pretty dry (indeed there is a flush draw out there, but J57 isn't too bad). Plus if you did happen to have the ace of diamonds in your hand you are blocking alot of their flush draws. Considering a bet into 2 opponents already looks pretty strong, a bet of 40% of the pot is already enough to make flush draws pay as well as getting value from some worse pairs.


In short the all-in will in the long run only cost you money against made sets probably. Indeed as you mentioned KK-QQ is most likely to 3bet you, but 55 and 77 is definitely in their range. So try to bet a little bit smaller to let draws pay and at the same time get value from worse hands.


Hope this helped a bit, and if anyone thinks my thought process is wrong somewhere I'd be happy to hear about it :D
 
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i do lose with AA but not always like you :p
 
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This past week or 2 I have had my AAs cracked a lot.

It is not rigged though, it's just variance.

I still smile when I am dealt AA, doesn't mean I am going to win when I play just that I am a favourite to win.

Got to learn to play with no emotions. If you played it wrong, work on your game. If you played it right then just accept that you were beat and move on!!
 
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You don't always lose with your aces, you just always remember when you lose with them.
 
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In order to win 80% of the hands on aces, you need to raise at least 3 BB before the

In order to win 80% of the hands on aces, you need to raise at least 3 BB before the flop, then you do not allow the opponents to go on the bad card. I always limped on AA earlier and lost 60% of hands. Then I changed my tactics of the game, started to raise on AA and after that I began to win 80% of hands. I constantly check statistics in Hold'em Manager. Poker is such a game in which BadBits are, from this or who is not insured. So if you're not lucky, do not worry, and keep playing AA raise before the flop.
 
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Thanks for all the input everyone, I love being on the forum where you can get input on decisions you have made, gives you a lot of perspective. I know it’s not rigged, and I usually raise my aces pre flop, because I know they are vulnerable the more people in a hand, so I try to isolate with them the best I can. All in all, when I play cash games, I love AA a whole lot more cause if they get cracked, you can just buy in again lol.
 
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Well, if you were to win with AA everytime, it wouldn't be very much a game of skill, now would it? & neither would it be fair! That's why Aces are folded sometimes!
 
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That's what we call a bad beat 😊 sometimes something like this happens to all of us. You are not the only one 😉
 
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The all-in was too aggro, the only times you get called here are the times you face a flopped set or two pair, sometimes a lower pocket pair.

Bad beats happen from time to time, as well as lucky runs, it all evens out in the long run and the skill comes out even more then. Don't let the selective memory take over your game and study away from the table when you have time.


When these things happen to me I like to study the hand later and see what I did wrong/right and what I could do better so that the next time I encounter such a situation, I know what to do.


GL at the tables :)
 
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I have lost several times with AA in my hand as I have also won a lot of AA. The problem of having a high pair is that many times you are confident you are winning. Just yesterday I won a Three of a Kind of A with a 2-3 suited. The opponent with AhAd and I with 2c-3c, board Ac-4c-5c. The opponent gave all in and without delay I paid the bet. He must have been cursing me so far for having eliminated the tournament.
 
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Just because we have AA doesn’t mean it’s an auto win. There’s still a 20% chance you loose the hand. Unlucky? Yes but it happens to all of us. It happened to me 3 times in a MTT last night where I was 1st and got knocked down to 70place after calling allins preflop with my AA lol
 
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How many times have we won with bad cards too? Can you remember? maybe not, the name of this is selective memory ... playing correctly has no way, in the long run you will be profitable.
 
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Get them committed before the flop. If you allow players to see the flop with weak hands while you got the semi nuts its your own fail. If you get them to shove preflop odds are with you. W a shove preflop he would have had a hard time to call maybe. just my 2 cents.
 
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Even with the scenario you just explained lets say the guy is on a flush draw. Your still hold around a +30% chance of losing. You also said it yourself that your shove might not of been the smartest play. As I told a buddy of mine AA is still only a pair.
 
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Yes that is a cold deck there no matter when you moved all in large stack pocket JJ was likely to call you down and keep you honest just bad luck hard hand to get away from I reckon if 5000 players start a tourney 1000 of them players will lose in situations similar to this good luck in future.
 
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Thanks again, and as for shoving pre flop, I tend to only do that as a 3bet or 4 bet, I don’t like to just open shove unless I’m short stacked, cause then it makes your hand pretty clear, so I will shove pre flop, but only if I can do it as a 3bet, or 4 bet, what does everyone think?
 
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