Hyper turbo guide thread

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Sup guys so people have been asking about hypers because well.... They are very interesting and some members asked me to make a guide thread for hypers... So why not?

First things first, guys.... Accept this is skill. There is luck, but just like the rest of variations of poker, over an infinite sample size of games it is 100% skill. Once you accept this fact we can begin

Alright so next.... BRM..... Have like 100+ buy ins for these because swings are crazy in these. Be prepared for massive heaters and massive downswings. If you do what I'm doing right now and play with like 15BI you will probably go broke. Just something to keep in mind.

So typical hyper structure is going to be like 300 chip starting stacks with blinds beginning at 15/30 and increasing every 3 minutes. Basically this puts you into a shove fold spot as soon as the game opens. For beginners you should pretty much only be open jamming, never limping.... Never min raising, none of that crap.

There are exceptions however, a lot of regs will be jamming over limpers with anything decent since they recognize that the majority of limpers will be suckers who don't understand that they should be open shoving. Those players will generally open shove most aces, so when they limp it appears really weak and for the most part they are weak. Regs will jam over limpers fairly wide because they recognize that they have a lot of FE against the standard limp range for a fish.

Well hmmmmm.... How can we as non fish exploit this reg tendency? Limping monsters occasionally. Usually only AA/KK. Why? Because regs will jam over you uber light because what have u done? U have created a sense of FE for villain that is really non existent. Villain obv has no FE but he doesn't know that. For a he knows you could just be trying for a cheap flop and he will shove hands like QK/Ax any pocket pair and some other hands we crush. The thing is we don't always want to limp monsters because well.... People will catch on. So we need to open shove our monsters just as often if not more often then we limp them. (Limping AA/KK should only be attempted on tables with a specific set of dynamics)

So yeah lets just go level by level for blinds and talk about what we should be doing.

Level one: 15/30:

First couple hands there's no need to shove crappy cards.... We have 10BB, and steals aren't vital yet because we steal the blinds and have 345.... Well who cares that's not a big difference. In this level we should be playing really just premiums from my experiences. Since this is six max I'm fine with open shoving A10+/66+ as like a very rough shove range, other than that fold. Usually 1-2 players will be KO'd in this level and remember.... 2/6 players get payed.

Level two: 20/40:

Ahhhh and the plot thickens. If we still have 1 starting stack we have 7.5BB. If we steal we gain 60 chips which is beginning to give us incentive to steal pots and open jam our buttons, still though it's not vital at this stage. Since blinds have gone up my shove range will now be wider.... 22+/JK+ kind of hands. Remember.... Don't min raise to 80 when u have a stack of 300... If your hand is good enough to min raise for almost 1/3 of your chips it's good enough to open shove. There isn't much of a sense of urgency yet at this level, don't rush the game. Stay calm.

Level 3: 25/50:

Alright.... Time to get active. Shoving a lot of my buttons, a steal is pretty valuable at this point. Absolutely shove all pocket pairs out of any position. The closer to the button I am the wider I'm going to shove. Basically, any two face cards are hands we should be going with. It's true.... When we shove JK and get a call.... We are probably behind. But it really does not matter. It's still a profitable jam on the button lets say, because it's really damn tough for our opponents to call us without an ace or a pocket pair or two faces. We will be getting lots and lots of folds, and we will be stealing often which is what makes the shove profitable.

Don't get me wrong.... You can shove hands like 38 on your button if steal dynamics at the table are decent, in fact I like the shove sometimes. The times our opponents call us, we will often have two live cards as opposed to a hand that is dominated and crushed. Plus there's the major idea of us stealing and increasing our stack by almost 33%. That's a huge increase and it's very important. Open up your range at this level.

Not only should you be shoving wider.... But since your opponents are also shoving wider you can call shoves wider. When you are BB and button shoves with 5BB well his range will be very wide... You can call with any pocket pair, any ace.... And depending on the buttons tendencies most or all kings. Just remember that your villains need to chip up just as much as you need to which means they will shove pretty wide. Adjust to the game and catch bluffers.

Level 4: 30/60

Steals at this point are invaluable. If you made it to this point there are probably 3 people left which means we are on the bubble. People don't want to bubble, it's the same as tournies. A lot of players will rock up because they wanna make the money. The average stack will be 600 at this point, all throughout the hyper you should mr aiming for having 600 chips. That's a pretty good goal if you want to make the money. If you still have like 400.... Jam like all of your buttons... You will successfully take down the blinds very often. Hands that are less likely dominated are good for shoves. Shove small blinds into the big blind often.... Steal steal steal. If all goes well you will be heads up

The last stage: at this point you and your opponent will probably both be under 10BB.... Or around that area. At this point you essentially playing a heads up hyper turbo.

Do remember, we are playing to win.... Not for second, so steal steal steal.... Open jam all aces, all pocket pairs.... It's similar to the other stages.

This is just a really rough guide. Use this thread to post any hands, any questions... Anything about hypers, feel free to correct me on anything.

But remember guys..... There's absolutely no skill to this at all.... I just blindly shove in and hope I win ;) lol.


Enjoy guys. Thoughts?
 
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What are your calling ranges in each level, and how is position going to effect it.

I also take it that carbon doesn't have antes then. poker stars hypers all have antes. Right from the start as well which really alters ranges drastically. Your range seem fine given there are no antes, but if antes are in play then shoving ranges become much wider.
 
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What are your calling ranges in each level, and how is position going to effect it.



I also take it that carbon doesn't have antes then. Poker stars hypers all have antes. Right from the start as well which really alters ranges drastically. Your range seem fine given there are no antes, but if antes are in play then shoving ranges become much wider.


1. No antes in carbon hypers.

2. In the opening levels my calling range is going to be very similar to my shove range.... People are not jamming too wide in the first two levels without good hands for the most part, their ranges weight towards like A8+ pocket pairs and hands like QK occasionally. So my calling range will be pretty tight in general, similar to my shove range probably
 
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Where are you playing these and at what buy-in?
 
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I play at carbon.... I'm running a challenge right now where I'm building up 3 dollars to 200 just from 1 dollar hypers. I withdrew my whole roll and left these few dollars so I could do this run it up challenge. Plus I wanted the monies from my roll. This is a guide for general.... Not for any exact stakes.
 
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To be honest I think a calling range should be tighter than your shoving range especially out of the blinds, at least until you get real short.
 
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To be honest I think a calling range should be tighter than your shoving range especially out of the blinds, at least until you get real short.


Yeah but the thing is my shove range is pretty tight as it is, maybe just my shove range but an itty bit tighter.... Not too much though, in the early levels you can get away with folding and only calling with pretty much premiums, but once you hit 25/50 your call range has gotta be lighter

We will pretty much always be short ;) lol.
 
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Oh also guys just want to add.....


Let's say the blinds are 30/60
.... UTG has 240 chips. He open shoves his range is really wide.... Why? Because blinds are about to hit him and the big blind will cost him a lot and he will lose a big portion of his stack so he's shoving real wide so we can call wider just saying
 
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IN. Excellent, excellent, ty!!
 
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I also take it that carbon doesn't have antes then. Poker stars hypers all have antes.


I also believe that PS has 500 starting stack, where Carbon has 300.
 
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good read, thanks.

my gut tells me to call tighter than I am shoving....however you have the experience to back you up...so I'll try it your way.
 
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woot! just played my first ever $1 hyper on carbon and won 1st place!!

followed your advice pretty much spot on. I was quite lucky to double up early when I called a button shove and I had A9s. he had 77 and I made my flush.

but after that, it was no walk in the park. There were 4 fish, 1 other guy who knew what was up and me. The good player got crippled down to 80 chips at one point and then shortly later was the chip leader at 680. he was only chip leader for 1 hand before I took it back over.

1 nit to my right gave me a walk in my SB like 4 times!

The good player ended up bubbling....so it was pretty easy for me to win the HU match.
 
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woot! just played my first ever $1 hyper on carbon and won 1st place!!

followed your advice pretty much spot on. I was quite lucky to double up early when I called a button shove and I had A9s. he had 77 and I made my flush.

but after that, it was no walk in the park. There were 4 fish, 1 other guy who knew what was up and me. The good player got crippled down to 80 chips at one point and then shortly later was the chip leader at 680. he was only chip leader for 1 hand before I took it back over.

1 nit to my right gave me a walk in my SB like 4 times!

The good player ended up bubbling....so it was pretty easy for me to win the HU match.


Awesome :) yeah, flips will be essential to your hyper games which is why the variance is so high. Now just play 10k more games so we can know if my advice is actually good ;)
 
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Now just play 10k more games so we can know if my advice is actually good ;)

Love your humor, JB! :eek: :D

Nice win, MissJacki!

I'll be back on the hypers today.

Thanks JB :)
 
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A pretty decent guide, well explained. Last few days I've been heads-uping hyper sng's a lot, so it's pretty important for me.
 
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This guide is probably an ok starting point, but it's a little too vague. Saying something like call wider or tighter, won't really help much people. And, the bubble is more complex than what you made it out to be. Sure, we want to be aggressive, but we can't just start jamming any two in the sb, or playing really loose from the btn. With certain stack distributions we could do that, but with others, we'd have to play much differently. We have to be a little cautious and pick our spots carefully. Making a mistake on the bubble is where it will cost you the most...

A better way to start would be with learning the basics of ICM because you'll at least be able to beat the micros that way.

For example, take this situation:

Blinds are 25/50
BTN (Good Reg): 1300
SB (Hero): 300
BB (Fish): 200

BTN shoves....

So what are we calling with here? And why?
Also, what would you call with if you were in the BB? (Assuming SB folds)

A few other notes:

If you're trying to play hypers seriously, I'd want 250-300 buy-ins, maybe even more. 100+ buy-in downswings are normal. :eek:

Also, Stars hypers play much differently. In the early levels, there's some room for post-flop play so using a shove/fold strategy would be costly. But even with those, if you have a solid foundation of ICM, you should be able to do well in the micros.
 
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This guide is probably an ok starting point, but it's a little too vague. Saying something like call wider or tighter, won't really help much people. And, the bubble is more complex than what you made it out to be. Sure, we want to be aggressive, but we can't just start jamming any two in the sb, or playing really loose from the btn. With certain stack distributions we could do that, but with others, we'd have to play much differently. We have to be a little cautious and pick our spots carefully. Making a mistake on the bubble is where it will cost you the most...



A better way to start would be with learning the basics of ICM because you'll at least be able to beat the micros that way.



For example, take this situation:



Blinds are 25/50

BTN (Good Reg): 1300

SB (Hero): 300

BB (Fish): 200



BTN shoves....



So what are we calling with here? And why?

Also, what would you call with if you were in the BB? (Assuming SB folds)



A few other notes:



If you're trying to play hypers seriously, I'd want 250-300 buy-ins, maybe even more. 100+ buy-in downswings are normal. :eek:



Also, Stars hypers play much differently. In the early levels, there's some room for post-flop play so using a shove/fold strategy would be costly. But even with those, if you have a solid foundation of ICM, you should be able to do well in the micros.


Thanks for coming to this thread bro.... Of course my strat guide is vague.... It was a school night for me and my time was limited. LOL. As for your hand you posted.... I'm going to call fairly tight.... We have to consider big blind and his action. He has 25% of his chips invested so he will be calling likely pretty loose. If villain is competent im going to be calling probably like A9+/KQ+ and idk probably all pocket pairs. I'm willing to take the flip here. In game I will probably call a bit wider than this but just analyzing this seems fine to me.

Also 300 buy ins? Really? That sounds a bit much. When was the last time u swung 100BB?
 
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Last year, I had two 100+ buy-in downswings. This year, I started off the year going down around 90. On carbon, those swings don't hurt as much because of the leaderboard bonuses, but they still happen, and you need to be prepared.

Regarding that hand, calling with A9+/KQ+ and any pair would be a big mistake.

Take a look at this:
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Although BTN probably isn't shoving any two here, I put that range just to show how tight we have to be. We can only call here with the very top of our range and part of the reason why is what you said, the BB has 25% of his stack invested; he's going to be able to call the BTN shove wider. If we call, we give the BB the opportunity to fold and then we face off with the Big stack for our tourney life.

When we fold, we give the BB the opportunity to call and get knocked out. That's what we want. We need to keep the pressure on the BB in this scenario.

This is just one scenario and things would change if we had even stacks with the BB, or maybe slightly less chips, but the point I'm trying to make is ICM really dictates how we need to approach these types of spots. Calling with a hand like AK here would be a no-brainer to most people, but we don't gain enough equity when we do, so folding is the right move.
 
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Huh.... But the thing is at the same time we are playing for first place, not second place. So if we fold, BB calls and doubles we are now in bubble position.... And if BB calls and loses then well ok.... We are heads up but the chip leader has like 1525 and we have 275. Most likely we will not outright win this hyper turbo.... I don't care about bubbling, if getting it in here means that when I win.... I will have a far better chance of winning the hyper as opposed to just min cashing
 
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At this point, I think it's safe to say we're playing for 2nd. There's nothing wrong with that. I'll take 2nd over 3rd, won't you? And, that's not even that point really. If we were playing for 1st, we'd still be making the same decisions. It's about maximizing our equity and in this situation folding all but the top hands is what accomplishes that.

Not sure what else to say. If you ignore ICM, you're just throwing away equity. I think if you stick with your plan of grinding up the stakes, you'll eventually see the value in it.
 
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Huh.... But the thing is at the same time we are playing for first place, not second place. So if we fold, BB calls and doubles we are now in bubble position.... And if BB calls and loses then well ok.... We are heads up but the chip leader has like 1525 and we have 275. Most likely we will not outright win this hyper turbo.... I don't care about bubbling, if getting it in here means that when I win.... I will have a far better chance of winning the hyper as opposed to just min cashing

We are playing to maximize our "EV".
 
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Alright then thanks for the help. :) yeah I'm sure it will come in handy for the higher stake games.... Even the 11 dollar hypers seemed pretty easy when I would play them. Now 22's were pretty hard, so stuff like this will probably come handy there. It will be a while until I have the 6k needed to play those ;) lol
 
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great idea for a thread jb...im just a casual hyper-turbo player at the 1.10-5.50 levels....however i think this could really help me learn as at times i get a bit confused in them...will defo be using your advice matt and appreciate you coming here aswell as ive seen your a hyper sng wizard on carbon and your on the leaderboard of every 5.50+ BI...see you around m8
 
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