How would you play this Q8s?

Galera is as follows; I want to make it clear that if it was an entry fee tournament I would not even get into this pot! It was the tournament Freebuy yesterday 07/07 in had around 17 bbs and in case the hand was only in limp I was going to betar to try to win the bbs as happened the tribet before I already left the call option clicked but as the player that I acted after the aggressor took time to respond I was going to fold ... I thought better and I visualized an AA or KK in the attacker but it did not give time to clear the automatic call option. So I was the first to act and had flush dran. As I was pretty sure he held AA or KK and if I checked he shovava, if I bet the minimum he shovava then I went from direct shove to try the flush. Thinking he had AA or KK on the pre-flop. 17bbs. A free tournament. Do I give up on the pre-flop or do I go from shove to pre-flop?




PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 1,000/2,000 (250 ante) - 8 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

alaercio (UTG): 33,647 (17 bb)
MJARDIM (UTG+1): 32,429 (16 bb)
FerSilva8100 (MP): 24,155 (12 bb)
MB-hard (MP+1): 3,668 (2 bb)
paizaoPK (CO): 52,514 (26 bb)
Douglas Gome (BU): 23,262 (12 bb)
xexeu07 (SB): 29,432 (15 bb)
Firewaled (BB): 31,650 (16 bb)

Pre-Flop: (5,000) Hero (alaercio) is UTG with 8♦ Q♦
alaercio (UTG) calls 2,000, 3 players fold, paizaoPK (CO) raises to 6,000, 3 players fold, alaercio (UTG) calls 4,000

Flop: (17,000) 7♣ 9♦ 7♦ (2 players)
alaercio (UTG) bets 27,397 (all-in), paizaoPK (CO) calls 27,397

Turn: (71,794) 2♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (71,794) Q♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 71,794

Showdown:
alaercio (UTG) shows 8♦ Q♦ (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 33%, Turn: 18%, River: 0%)

paizaoPK (CO) shows A♣ A♠ (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 67%, Turn: 82%, River: 100%)

paizaoPK (CO) wins 71,794

Big mistake, I would have thrown the hand is not responding to the all Institute as it does not hit the flop, you can encode the turn but it does not go all in.

I would have mucked it preflop.

It's usually total garbage OOP.

Good luck !

Alaercio da Rocha said:

Do I give up on the pre-flop or do I go from shove to pre-flop?

alaercio (UTG): 33,647 (17 bb)
MJARDIM (UTG+1): 32,429 (16 bb)
FerSilva8100 (MP): 24,155 (12 bb)
MB-hard (MP+1): 3,668 (2 bb)
paizaoPK (CO): 52,514 (26 bb)
Douglas Gome (BU): 23,262 (12 bb)
xexeu07 (SB): 29,432 (15 bb)
Firewaled (BB): 31,650 (16 bb)

Pre-Flop: (5,000) Hero (alaercio) is UTG with 8♦ Q♦
alaercio (UTG) calls 2,000

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First mistake: On these stack sizes this is a clear fold from UTG.
Second mistake: Calling the preflop raise.

Recommend studying the CardsChat short stack strategy page: https://www.cardschat.com/mtt-short-stack.php

Probably a fold preflop either it's a freeroll or a million buy in tournament. The decision matters.

Q8s is not good enough to play with 7 players left to act after you, and in general I dont recommend to have a limping strategy from any other positions than SB. As played I probably check-raise all in on this flop.

Donk betting like this look kind of try hard, and you need to ask yourself, if you really ever do that with a strong made hand? Probably not, and a good opponent will sniff this out and call you fairly wide. Check-raising look much stronger, and it also allow him to chips in the pot with his bluffs, so that you win more, when he fold.

Finally putting him on AA or KK seem like an afterthought. He can have a wide range of holdings here, and his sizing is not really a tell. With stacks this short there is not enough room for him to isolate to 4 or 5 BB and then fold to a jam. So he can either go small, like he did, or go all in.

being UTG and still with 17BB I just fold this type of hand can bring you many problems and of course I would never call the raise of the CO, for me it is an easy fold

Well like everyone said, I would have mucked it. But from how you played it, if I was in the cutoff, and I had anything besides 66- AA, AQ-AK, I would assume you had a monster by just limping from UTG with 17 BBs. If that was your strategy, even though it wasn’t the best line (to make it seem like you had a monster), then the cutoffs raise would tell me he has a monster himself probably. So that would’ve been another sign to muck preflop. After it goes to the flop, I like the lead shove though. Regardless of his holding, you put him to the decision by shoving.

I play at the amateur level, but I would fold on the flop

Kadgaron said:

I play at the amateur level, but I would fold on the flop

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The only thing, we absolutely can not do, is to enter the pot with a hand like Q8s and then fold, when we flop a strong draw.

Thanks for the tips, I'm already selecting more hands!

This was the bingo of yesterday that I ended up playing very well by the way. pokerstars Tournament # 2636903712, No Limit Hold'em Freeroll 1103 players $ 50.00 USD added to the PokerStars award Total Prize Package: $ 50.00 USD Tournament started at 2019/07/10 20:00:00 EST [2019/07/10 19:00:00 ET] Dear alaercio, You finished the tournament in 4th place. Congratulations! A prize of USD 3.37 was credited to his Stars Account. Thanks for playing at PokerStars. We hope you had fun!

This hand deserves a special highlight. The guy fell into the trap and bluffed very ugly!



PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 8 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

PPOLIVEIRA2018 (UTG): 2,605 (22 bb)
adct76 (UTG+1): 9,532 (79 bb)
MastroBH (MP): 2,200 (18 bb)
zecapg3 (MP+1): 2,330 (19 bb)
parsa579 (CO): 5,974 (50 bb)
alaercio (BU): 12,159 (101 bb)
gelati_julio (SB): 7,950 (66 bb)
lyrou (BB): 2,870 (24 bb)

Pre-Flop: (300) Hero (alaercio) is BTN with Q♦ Q♣
4 players fold, parsa579 (CO) calls 120, alaercio (BU) raises to 660, 2 players fold, parsa579 (CO) calls 540

Flop: (1,620) Q♠ T♦ 4♦ (2 players)
parsa579 (CO) checks, alaercio (BU) checks

Turn: (1,620) T♣ (2 players)
parsa579 (CO) checks, alaercio (BU) checks

River: (1,620) Q♥ (2 players)
parsa579 (CO) bets 5,299 (all-in), alaercio (BU) calls 5,299

Total pot: 12,218

Showdown:
parsa579 (CO) shows 9♦ 7♦ (two pair, Queens and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 20%, Flop: 25%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

alaercio (BU) shows Q♦ Q♣ (four of a kind, Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 80%, Flop: 75%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

alaercio (BU) wins 12,218

I would have called if I'm ok to lose some stacks at Pre-flop. And definitely folded post-flop after I see All-in and I don't have anything...

I'd avoid playing this hands out of position entirely,