This is a discussion on How would you play this JJ within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; No information. Should have raised preflop. I don't particularly like to play JJ. I feel uncomfortable.
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 10/20 - 9 players
Venycyos (BB) shows K♦ 5♦ (a flush, King high) (http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/unrolled?g=he&s=generic&b=3dJd5h8dTs&h1=JsJc&h2=Kd5d - Pre-Flop: 32%, Flop: 29%, Turn: 80%, River: 100%)
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Let us think about what hands we are beating on the turn when villain leads that will call our shove? Remember we have no reads on Villain so we must assume villain is capable of folding and hand reading.
AA with D why would it call flop- lead turn? KK same QQ same-
33 / 55 get it in on the flop.
Your raise on flop is big hand or draw. Why does the villain ignore the draw getting there?
If we knew villain over plays big cards with one diamond your play is fine but we do not know this.
They are so tricky to play with, i ussually play jj to see a flop i think that is the best way to play in , and sometimes raise in situations where bounties are involved or when you are in deep in the tourney.. but definitely always being cautious with those hands.
In general it is good to re-raise when you are in a late position with a pair of jacks.
The goal is to isolate yourself with the limpers and decrease the variance, which is greater as the group of active players in the hand grows.
In this case your bet on the flop was very depolarized, since if your goal was to block the color, you should find a better size so as not to waste your stack too much.
You were delivering approximately 40% of your stack in a flop where it was very likely that someone has the odds necessary to pay any increase.
In these cases, it is important to handle the bet sizes so you don't lose too much money.
On the turn there are dangerous lines, also if someone paid you the increase in the flop, it was very likely that you will be in a position to defend rather than continue attacking.
In this spot influences the information you have of the game of your rivals.
If someone pushes you on the turn, you should probably think about a decision between the call and the fold, according to the information you can get from the player.
I agree with gustav. Probably 3 bet pre just to win the pot there and then you probably wouldn't have to face K5. However, you hit the flop, fine so it's a great hand, and then it just turns into a cooler that you really can't do anything about. Maybe just call the lead out on the turn and then maybe just call river when the boat doesn't come, or maybe you can get away from a river shove.
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A 3-bet with JJ is certainly fine in against a raise from MP both to isolate and for value. If the original raise comes from UTG I often just call, but since he limped he probably have a worse hand.
The turn raise all-in usually don't get called by worse so often you just call with a set here - or even check behind if villain checks. I see that the villain bet very small (almost a check) and you have less than a pot bet left. This makes it tough. Almost the only card that hurts you is fourth diamond so call the small bet is still best against most players with three to a flush on the board. If you not boat up on the river and he moves all-in it is a tough fold but most players don't bluff here so fold it is. But almost never move all-in yourself if your not up against a bad calling station. You hand has very good absolute strength but not so good relative strength against the opponents calling range.