How would you play this hand?

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How would you play this hand.

Our hero is in the BB and has 9 T hearts.
He has a stack of about 6,000 chips. The blinds are 150/300.
Several players call around and “our hero” limps in.
Our hero flops a Ten hi flush.
He bets out 2 x BB.
One player re-raises another 1200 chips. And, it is folded around to “our hero”
Our Hero is thinking, this player has flopped a flush also. But, the board has been playing lots of poor hands. And, making lots of terrible calls and bets. So:
(Also, bearing in mind that a double up would put “our hero” in good shape to make it to the money.
Does our hero, call, raise or fold?
And, what are the odds of two flushes flop same hand?
 
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What's the stack size of the other person? What is on the board, are there any straight possiblities? If this guy has been overplaying his middle/bottom pairs are even two pair it would probably be worth a shove. But there is more information to make a good say on way or another, stack size probably being the most important decision.
 
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From information gatherd i know this that there are 3 hearts on board,that they are between the 8-2{we,ll say they are 2,8,5, of hearts...so we dont know how close you or the opponents is to a str fl draw.That being said..i would call,you have a made hand,but if say your opponent is holding Ah,8s...hes betting top pair with a 35% shot at a nut flush draw to double his money...so was i him{the villan}no i wouldnt raise..i would smooth call and watch your pain if another heart flops...you left alot open here...but you want to know this...do you think you have the best hand right now,yes i think you do...and that is why betting two big blinds makes no sense,you are holding a made hand...in my opinion betting pot should have been your 1st choice,let him come back knowing you got the hand...he raises then...you go all in as your pot commited...several players called{thats 2100}you bet 2100 leaves you 3600...your praying for a reraise in my opinion...to put 3600 chips into a pot with6k in it...thats the play..thats what i would do.hope this helps.
 
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Right or wrong - I would play very similar to you in this instance. And I would call their re-raise. How do I know? It happened to me about 24 hours ago.

I had 9,10 of spades and 4500 chips or so at a 1 table SNG. We were down to 3 players. My opponent had me covered by roughly 500 chips. The flop came Q(s), 4(s), 7(s). I bet 3xBB. He raised 1500 or so chips. I called.

I pushed allin on the turn card.

By the way - He had A (s) and Q (d). He had paired his queen (top pair) on the flop...and hit his Ace high Flush when the fourth spade popped on the river.

UGGGH!
 
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The OP's situation is a little bit different though. he had over cards to the board. So He had a couple extra outs than you if the villian was overplaying the top pair. If this happened to you recently also mange, do you have the HH for the hand? If so that would make it alot easier.
 
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Definitly Raise allin. If someone reraises you like that it could be very likely that he or she is going for a monster flush, like Ace high. Many people raise with flush draws so that when it comes people expect them not to have it since they thought that these people were trying to scare anyone looking for a flush off. This could very well be that case. And even if the person had a good pair, you never know if his second card was a higher flush card that his is. You definitly want to win the guys money, but you wont if he catches, so you should send a bet to either make him pay and lose big times most of the time or fold and you win it right there, which usually wont happen if the guy reraised you, unless he was bluffing.
 
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On the information given I would push all in. My thinking would be that he may have top pair with A or K of Hearts and is just trying to push everyone else off it.

As some other posters have mentioned some more info would be good, like how big is the other players stack, what are the heart on the board?

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The OP's situation is a little bit different though. he had over cards to the board. So He had a couple extra outs than you if the villian was overplaying the top pair. If this happened to you recently also mange, do you have the HH for the hand? If so that would make it alot easier.

How does having overcards matter if you already have a flush?
 
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I would call and wait for the next card... if it a non heart i would push all in...
I think he is playing a pair with a high heart to possiblby hit his flush, if a non heart comes he knows there is only 1 card to come and not 2 and you still have some chips left and making him pay quite a bit to see one more card, he will know you are on a flush, do not re raise him all in, because he will call with 2 cards to come, with 1 card to come he probably wont and if he does, your odds are much better...

If another heart does come on the turn it is safe to say you are probably beat but atleast you have some chips left
 
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I would have bet more than 2 BB initially and then probably called his raise... I'm thinking he's got top pair or a high flush draw like the ace of hearts and a garbage card.
 
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ok dokey

hi there,
Well I can tell you this in live poker you would have a monster hand ,however in online poker I find that this happens alot and you usually get killed with the higher flush.What i hate is when you flop the flush and some1 calls with two crappy pair and catch the boat on the river and takin my chippies!:eek:
 
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First off I would've bet out for more than 2bb size of bet (what was this.. around 1/4pot?). You're giving great odds for any players with a high card of same suit to come along, as well as any 2pr. holdings. Personally I would lead out with a fairly decent bet on the flop - aourn 4/5 pot to protect my made hand.
In the situation here that you've described (depending upon stack sizes... ie. if not super deep).. I would reraise ALLIN. If your opponent has flopped a higher flush, chances are he's not going to be raising you here but instead will just be calling you here (although if another of the same suit falls on the turn it'll be shutting down his action considerably). Still... it's a multi-way pot so reraise ALLIN.
 
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If I had my opponent easily covered, knowing what you know of him, I'd call him all in. If he has me covered, I'd probably just call and go all in on the turn as long as it wasn't another heart...
 
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For me, more or less, my chip stack doesnt matter that much here.

I'm pushing all-in.

If he has the K, Q, J, A high flush, then so be it, but the chances of that are slim.

Often, players will play there 99, or A8 very aggressively to get rid of flush draws so he may be doing that.

If you get outdrawn on the turn or river it's a bad beat, don't play this hand weak because that's exactly how you lose in poker.
 
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Im not good enough to fold a ten high flush on the flop, so i would just call the raise and check the turn and go for a check raise , i don't know the odds of him having a higher flush, but i wouldn't be affraid of going allin on the turn unless the turn card is another heart or pairs the board, then i would just slow down and maybe even fold
 
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I like the raise to push a bit. He could be betting with a big ace.
 
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Im not good enough to fold a ten high flush on the flop, so i would just call the raise and check the turn and go for a check raise , i don't know the odds of him having a higher flush, but i wouldn't be affraid of going allin on the turn unless the turn card is another heart or pairs the board, then i would just slow down and maybe even fold

I'm not good enough to fold any flush on the flop :icon_sant
 
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you have 20bb and flop a flush

money ----->middle

btw if its raised an i am shortstacking fold PF
 
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So if I read this right he bet 600 into a pot of somewhere between 1350-1650. He might be looking for value, might be makin a small bet to win the pot, only you can get a good feel for his type of play. I would push in case he does have a high heart or is just playing a high pair or trips. A reraise or push is all I would consider, a call just gives him another card to bet on. Make him think on the flop.
 
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