How to play TT, JJ and QQ early stage STT

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I'd like to have your opinion on how to play TT, JJ and QQ in early stage of STT.

For the moment, I will open-raise with all those hands and flat call an open-raised pot. If the flop is low and I don't catch my set, I'll make it costly to someone to continue in the hand.

Does it make sens to try to move all-in there and catch someone with top pair? Does it worth the risk to do it in early stage of the tourney?
 
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I hate to say it, but it depends.

Post some hands in the HA section of the thread with these trouble hand you face for a far better, more specific analysis.
 
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I hate to say it, but it depends.

Post some hands in the HA section of the thread with these trouble hand you face for a far better, more specific analysis.

I totally agree with you that it depends. I was more looking for a general guideline for this thread. I'll posted hand history in the Hands analysis section for discussion.
 
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Yeah, sorry I just find it so hard to answer without writing an essay.

You can probably just stick the monies in preflop with Queens at most levels below $5.

If you are calling for set value, and you miss, be careful postflop, try to keep the pot small.
 
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If you are looking for general guidelines, here you go:
In the early stages I will open raise with 1010 and JJ. If I am 3-bet, then it really depends on the player, as I am usually not looking to get all of my chips in preflop with tens and jacks in the first 2 levels. In a raised pot, I treat these hands like small pockets. I am not looking to inflate the pot here. I would like to see the flop relatively cheaply, and a multi-way situation is not bad either especially if you hit your set. If an A, K, Q comes, you can fold to any aggression. If you have an over pair, I will move forward with the hand, and typically I am not afraid to play for all my chips with over pairs since you are likely to get called by worse hands (ie top pair) very often.
With QQ on the other hand, I typically have no problem 3 and 4-betting all in.
These are certainly just guidelines because, as it was said previously, it certainly depends.
 
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It most definitely is player dependent, but the general concept is to be re-raising a raised pot with Queens. A lot of people with A,10+ with often play it like the nuts at the micros.

Jacks and 10's, flatting a raised pot from early position is fine. Again, if you know someone is raising light, then you have to be aggressive even with TT.
 
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I had QQ in early position early on in a $1 SnG a couple of weeks ago. I raised and everyone folded except for the BB who reraised. I shoved all in and got called by KK. It really made me evaluate the 'conversation' taking place between me and the BB. Raising with QQ early, I was saying to the table "I've got a hand." BB reraising was saying "I know you've got a hand, so have I and it's probably better than yours and I'm willing to play it out of position." I ignored that and shoved anyway and lost to the better hand.
So now I am very careful with 10 10, JJ and QQ from early position. If I get reraised, I tend to lay my hand down as to shove would be guessing and to call would be to potentially leak chips far too early in proceedings. As more people get knocked out and JJ becomes an even stronger hand short-handed, I'll no doubt play it differently but in the early stages of a SnG I think you have to be comfortable laying down those bigger hands.
 
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to go all in with TT and JJ doesn't make sense...mby in rebuy tournaments(in early stage ofc)...but QQ i don't know...i'm on 50-50 with that :/
 
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It does make sense if it is profitable.
 
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I have to open the hand with a healthy raise, I've i am 3bet when I have 1010 or even JJ sometimes I will just fold them, depending on the aggression of the 3bet to me initial raise, if the raise is high that could easily mean a higher pair or AK, AQ. High cards tend to hit a lot on the flops.

Than again it all depends on the aggression of the entire table, some people will 3bet you with absolute garbage hands to try and scare you away because the pot gets raised and 3bet every time and they want to maintain some kind of control over the table.
 
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I hate playing tens late in tournies. Regardless of how you play them if you dont flop your set then they are pretty much like mid pair and have to fold to any bet on the flop with any over cards
 
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If you are playing tens late in tournies and seeing flops then sounds like you aren't shoving wide enough

or maybe you just only play tournies with amazingly sick structures, idno
 
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I had pocket Queens in an freeroll, late phase. chipstack was around 30K, a bit lower than average. so i push all-in and got 1 caller.
he shows KJ (a really bad hand i think) and he hits the king. playing 4 hours for nothing but doubt!
 
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depends,.. i dunno why people say QQ all in pf all day every day.. what a losing strat, so many times you run into higher or.. the person just cant let go of the high ace and takes the flip and within a split second you are like oh shit cause he hit his Ace and its too late for you to turn back

Its very easy to tell if someone has KK or AA at micros.. they do the typical small reraise of 2bb on top/ min reraise.. most people at micros/lows.. will NOT push these hands all in preflop they want value and make it so obvious.

of course its not always the case either but about 80% of the time it is

I dunno I tend to reevaluate with what villian I'm up against i.e if I raise UTG and I know i have a solid/shark image and I get reraised by a person who also appears solid and he reraises me I know more often than not his range hes reraising me with is better than what I have currently if you get ma drift.

But yeah like all poker strategys..

DEPENDS.. there is no right and wrong play to play poker, to an extent.
 
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Only thing that could Add, is that i don´t level the same TT/JJ/QQ, pretty much is like TT/JJ and QQ apart.
 
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I had QQ in early position early on in a $1 SnG a couple of weeks ago. I raised and everyone folded except for the BB who reraised. I shoved all in and got called by KK. It really made me evaluate the 'conversation' taking place between me and the BB. Raising with QQ early, I was saying to the table "I've got a hand." BB reraising was saying "I know you've got a hand, so have I and it's probably better than yours and I'm willing to play it out of position." I ignored that and shoved anyway and lost to the better hand.
So now I am very careful with 10 10, JJ and QQ from early position. If I get reraised, I tend to lay my hand down as to shove would be guessing and to call would be to potentially leak chips far too early in proceedings. As more people get knocked out and JJ becomes an even stronger hand short-handed, I'll no doubt play it differently but in the early stages of a SnG I think you have to be comfortable laying down those bigger hands.

this is the most helpful advice i could suggest...i've overplayed queens and kings vs kings and aces, respectfully, so many times that i've really had to re-evaluate how i play my higher PPs...considering ur asking about early in a tourny then your stack is relatively low, so u've got less room for 3betting if you don't want to shove...you should always open raise, but i would really avoid 3bet shoving with QQ...with kings you can shove, and if ur against aces say **** the world, but if you're facing a really big raise with QQ or a 3bet shove urself, then (unless ur read on the villain suggests otherwise) just fold and try to forget about it...its always really tough in these spots tho, thats for damn sure
 
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this is the most helpful advice i could suggest...i've overplayed queens and kings vs kings and aces, respectfully, so many times that i've really had to re-evaluate how i play my higher PPs...considering ur asking about early in a tourny then your stack is relatively low, so u've got less room for 3betting if you don't want to shove...you should always open raise, but i would really avoid 3bet shoving with QQ...with kings you can shove, and if ur against aces say **** the world, but if you're facing a really big raise with QQ or a 3bet shove urself, then (unless ur read on the villain suggests otherwise) just fold and try to forget about it...its always really tough in these spots tho, thats for damn sure
So you fold QQ in early levels if you raise & villain 3bet shoves??? not me.. never! Unless it's losched16 as I know he's overshoving w AA & KK in those spots as well ;) (for deception obviously... to make it appear 'as if' it's an AK, (or for some donks.. an AQs hand).
 
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You have to open raise at about four time BB, or four time BB and plus the money that other players call.
 
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It depends on your opponents really, if a guy shoves and i have pocket 10 10 J J and Q Q and I have seen him shove before with worse hands I'd definitely risk it and go all in. If its a tight player who only goes all in with really good hands I wouldn't shove unless it was Q Q or higher. Thats just how I play though, a lot of the time it depends on the situation you're in.
 
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A lot of the comments in this thread (especially regarding QQ) are making baby jesus cry.
 
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I'd like to have your opinion on how to play TT, JJ and QQ in early stage of STT.

For the moment, I will open-raise with all those hands and flat call an open-raised pot. If the flop is low and I don't catch my set, I'll make it costly to someone to continue in the hand.

Does it make sens to try to move all-in there and catch someone with top pair? Does it worth the risk to do it in early stage of the tourney?
To some extent this depends on how much you know about your opponents and how many big blinds you have in your stack. In the early stages you might have 50-100bb. Given early on you might not know much about your opponents. Raise UTG or first in, I like 3bb. If you only get callers or everyone folds it's onto the flop...(a)

If someone raises it will depend on how much and their stack size ( how many bbs you might win). say they raise to 6bb, call with TT, JJ, QQ if you stand to win 48bbs+, for a 9bb raise call with JJ or QQ if you can win 72bb+ , to an all-in fold it's too early to risk you stack without player knowledge. (b)

(a) When you get to the flop and are first to act check the texture, assuming you didn't make the set raise .5pot+bb if there is only one overcard and the flop is unco-ordinated or your pair is an overpair, fold to a big reraise, be wary of a call. check to the river or fold.

If you made your set, play it as you please, bold is probably best.

(b) When you get to the flop after a reraised preflop be much more cautious, no set no bet, no overpair no bet. Top or second set, pot size raise and hope for a reraise then all-in.

Ignore me, the more I reread this the more I realise how much more complicated it is!
 
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