How often to steal in DONs?

thunder1276

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my steal percentage in DONs is 24.2% which seems really high. Some of the regs I play with are only at like 16-17%. Is this a more reasonable number to shoot for? My biggest problem is stealing with 10-15BB in my stack. I am oozing chips to the tune of 41k, stealing 27% from the SB and 13% from LP. The thing is though, I managed to steal 84% of the time when I have this many chips. I can see stealing often when you have few chips, but is this to often when I have 10-15BB?

Also, how big should my steals be?
 
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for steals at 10-15 bb I usually go with min raise + a lil bit. Like if its 300-600, I would raise to 1250-1350, somewhere in the that range. The great thing about doing this is you can give them a concept I like to call false fold equity if you mix this technique in with cards you would normally just shove with. Works quite well when everyone is playing push fold, people will shove some wonky hands into you thinking your min raising bluffing.
 
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Shit. 10-15bb at 300 600. you would be absolutely crushing. :) I know this is just an example but at this point I would let the other 5 guys decide who the loser is going to be. I like the idea of false fold equity though.
 
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Yeah haha I'm not too familiar with what legit blinds would be for avg stack to = 10-15 bb . I was just making #'s up lol. And very much yes to false fold equity, it was a concept I came up with back when I was crushing 5-10 $ Super turbos on carbon right after black friday, mainly for blind on blind situations because sb's would constantly be min raising just to steal blinds and shoving when they wanted a call. (Probably not the real inventor of "false fold equity" but its not like I red an article on it or something) But I can certainly see it helping in late rounds of DoNs or really any sng for that matter.
 
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Whenever the opportunity presents itself really. Even with 10-15bb is generally going to be good to hold on for a win. But blinds can rise fast and eat up a stack, so stealing is paramount in the don game.
 
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you can win a DON without stealing blinds but you can win a very high % of DON's if you can steal with 85+% success.
i wouldn't give too much thought to your overall steal % compared to other regs... depends how tight the players are to your left. if your fortunate enough to find the 2 players to your left won't 3-bet shove light or stack off with less than KK then steal as often as possible. obviously once you build up a big lead then i would protect your stack and fold nearly everything.
 
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24.2% actually seems rather low for DON's, I don't know my exact steal percentage but to guesstimate I'm going to say at the minimum I steal twice that. But I do try and keep very aware of situations in which it seems good to steal and when not to steal, say I've been shoving light into BB the last 3 orbits in late stages of DON on the bubble, I'm going to tend to tighten up my range when it's a SB vs BB situation again because I know if he's a reg there's a good chance he will call me down light next time.

But the metagame between regs in DON's becomes so complex after awhile it's pretty interesting. Anyway this is a pretty simple thought on it, I've seen you get advice from emit who has an immense amount of experience in DON's, so if he keeps giving you free info def take notes!
 
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24.2% actually seems rather low for DON's, I don't know my exact steal percentage but to guesstimate I'm going to say at the minimum I steal twice that. But I do try and keep very aware of situations in which it seems good to steal and when not to steal, say I've been shoving light into BB the last 3 orbits in late stages of DON on the bubble, I'm going to tend to tighten up my range when it's a SB vs BB situation again because I know if he's a reg there's a good chance he will call me down light next time.

But the metagame between regs in DON's becomes so complex after awhile it's pretty interesting. Anyway this is a pretty simple thought on it, I've seen you get advice from emit who has an immense amount of experience in DON's, so if he keeps giving you free info def take notes!

Emit has worked wonders for my game :) He always gives spot on and thorough advice that is very helpful. Ever since I read the advice he gave me roughly a week ago, I have attempted to steal just over 46%% of the time with nearly 75% success, its amazing how often it works. I have also had over 55% in the money after 192 games and going 3/12 yesterday. I am tinkering with the steal sizing against the people who call fairly often, so hopefully that will bring up my steal % as well. My fold to steal % is just over 90 though and 3bet steal at about 6%. How do these numbers seem, to me they seem low, especially since people are going to be stealing around 50% of the time.
 
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