How much to raise with premium to good hands

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Hello everyone,

I find in tournaments when I have AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, I usually raise more than 3x the blinds however when the flop comes, its a dud and I come up empty.


I use a continuation bet so that I am not easily giving up control of the pot however that doesn't work and I end losing 20% of my stack.


What is the proper way to play hands like those mentioned without attracting a lot of players calling that will create bad beats or risking 20% of stack in a heads up situation not knowing the flop and potentially losing more money.
 
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My opinion

Betting 3 times the blind is a good idea. You just have to remember to only bet premium hands one third of the time. They only win about 40 percent of the time. So if you bet them every time your probably going to lose.
 
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You can not just take and play on the template premium hands.
 
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it all depends on stack and position on the table.
 
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even with premium hands, play raise 2,1 2,2 times the big blind.
 
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Typically 2 1/2 to 3 bbs raise pre. 2 1/2 open will save you more chips in the long run when your flop cbets are busted.
 
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again, it all depends on your стtrf and what. stage of the tournament.
 
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Pay attemption on Villain.

If you know villain are prone to call your cbets why did you cbet to start of things of?

When playing against a loose passive player that are gonna call whatever raise you make pre-flop and any size of cbet post flop what I usually do is keep the pot small until I hit, and then I made large bets knowing they are going to call.
But if you are short stacked and any raise will hurt your stack it may be better just push pre-flop.

There is a risky line of play in which you make an usual 3bb raise pre-flop and if you get called by a loose passive player, simply cbet push any dry board that come.
There is a curious fact about loose calling stations: many of them, while been ready to call a cbet as large as 3/4 of his stacks, would never call an all in bet - even if for as low as 1/4 of his stacks. Human minds -- who can understand?
 
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It depends on many things, from the position at the table, your stack, how your opponents play at the table, but it is usually up 3x,
 
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Raise

I feel if I can raise and get people to fold I will raise pretty high. about 3 in a half times the big blind.
 
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I'm not an expert or have much experience, but what I see other players do, is not to change your 3-bet sizing, if you opening hands with 2,1 or 2,2 BB keep that, otherway players can read what you doing and narrow your range each time you 3-bet over 3BB
 
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Hi there ...every situation needs a different way to play .good luck
 
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Everything in total should add up how to play. You need to take into account who is in front of you, how many players distribution, style of play players, your style and so on. Given this information and to draw conclusions as be. There are no usual patterns. Train and everything will be fine!
 
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If you always make the same pre-flop raise (as the opener), no matter what hand you have, it makes it so much more difficult for your opponents to put you on any hand.

If you're raising small with okay hands, and raising big with premium hands, your opponents will catch on very quickly.
 
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There is no exact answer in poker, doing 3bet is an option given by the professionals after a lot of study and calculation but it does not mean that those options apply to your situation at the table because it will depend on your amount of chips, the BB your position at the table and many factors that could give you a different option to place your bet.
 
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read about c-bets more and study flop texture so you can learn how to make profitable c-bets. also, when heads-up consider the player type you are facing
 
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The size of the raise is x 2.5. If there is limp + 1bb for each. If there is a raise to us then 3bet (x3) with premium hands and call with medium. Cbet on the flop depends on the board. On a safe board with AA I'll bet 33%, I'll bet a lot on the board with draws. Like that)
 
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Keep the same open raise amount no matter what you open. You can open raise 3x - 4x only at the first levels in a MTT. Keep doing that in the middle stages of a tournament or a SnG indicates a fishy play because you waste too many chips for no reason preflop.

It is not mandatory to cbet every board especially against a single opponent, you can find some articles in the forum and on the internet in order to improve your post flop game.

Good Luck!
 
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they say that not doing a continuation bet is a symptom of weakness ... but as I learned that it is true you do it right by going out with hands it is normal that you bet so that trash hands do not match you ... if the flop is not what you expected ... no you feel weak you must fold to not compromise your stack.
 
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Sometimes I only pay the blinds or I bet what is in the pot plus a big blind, if the flop has good cards for me I bet the pot plus something, everything depends on what I analyzed in the table
 
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You're probably not playing it wrong. Three times bb sounds like the standard raise. If you miss the flop, can you get away from your hand? That's the ?. I myself will either c bet vs player with less chips or check against a player who has me covered, calling only small bets in an attempt to keep the pot small. If the other player or players bet large bets, then you just fold and wait on a better spot. Hard to do but ace high is not a great holding most of the time.
 
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3x-4x is a big raise. I agree with dealio, a 2.5x raise gets you there the same as 3x and saves chips.

Keep in mind, you don't have to play huge pots each hand you enter. Its okay to play smaller pots. That means smaller raises, smaller bets, and controlling the pot.


You need to adjust to who you are playing post flop. If you are getting people that call your cbet too much, start check raising when you hit a flop. This will make the villains respect your check and allow for a free card.


In the end, I would look at the reason you struggle post-flop is your hand selection. Aside from AK, AQ, I really don't think you have a 3x-4x hand. In certain situations, yes, the hands are playable, but these are the kind of hands you want to see a cheap flop. You are overplaying the range you posted. Doing this gets you into situations that require tough decisions like missing a flop holding AJ.
 
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you can just 3x or 2.5 x every premium hand need to just call sometime or 2x a few times. I f 3 x every time with premiums, then observant players see this routine action and will use it against you. Don't C bet every time, unless you have flopped some equity (i.e. draws)
 
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If I am in utg x3, if I am in advanced positions x2 or x2.5, depends on what type of players are on the table, if there are very aggressive players, I usually play aggressive preflop, to protect the hands.
 
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I only change my pre-flop raise sizing for position never for hand strength ... usually 2 1/2 times the BB in earlier positions to MP and then 3 times the BB opening from cutoff and button ... and as some have said even your raises you have to mix up ..... ( sometimes just flat calling, and sometimes 3 betting too ) so as not to establish patterns for your opponents to build reads on
 
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