How much to bet pairing Jack on flop

Say I am in with AJ and the flop is xxJ. How much should I bet if I have one opponent who holds at best KQ? I want to ignore possible sets. My winning odds are 75:25 before the turn. Then if the turn is another blank my odds improve to 86:14. Now how much do I bet?

How do you know if your opponent has KQ? Need a lot more information to make any recommendation here, but I think you should come out firing and see what happens.

When in doubt go all in.

teepack said:

How do you know if your opponent has KQ? Need a lot more information to make any recommendation here, but I think you should come out firing and see what happens.

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Opponent doesn't show aces, kings, queens, or jacks by betting, so a lower pair or overcards are more probable. KQ is the best possibility for him. AQ, AJ, KJ or anything with the second card being lower than a jack give him even lower winning odds. My question is how much should I bet before the turn and before the river to make it not worth his while to continue. What prompted this thread was a hand where my opponent did have KQ, I raised pot after flop and pot after turn, he called both and got a queen on the river. It was a freeroll, so he might have stuck with his hand no matter what to suck out on the river.

The answer to this, as with many things in poker, is it depends. Need a lot more info to go on such as tournament structure, blinds/antes, stack sizes, position, pre-flop action, etc

It really depends on what "xx" is. Its way more dangerous to bet on a suited 9-10-J board, then on a rainbow board like 2-7-J. If u feel you're ahead on the flop, and your not scared of it, a bet between 1/2 the pot and 3/4th of the pot is a good c-bet. Re-evaluate the turn and repeat. Good luck!

pigpen02 said:

Say I am in with AJ and the flop is xxJ. How much should I bet if I have one opponent who holds at best KQ? I want to ignore possible sets. My winning odds are 75:25 before the turn. Then if the turn is another blank my odds improve to 86:14. Now how much do I bet?

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This question is wayyy too generalized. Much more variables are needed to be able to even come close to sn accurate response.

Way to vague.

Also, Jxx flop does really depend on what exactly xx means. If really to complete blanks, i.e.: J26 we should bet no more than 50% of the pot. Again though, effective stack sizes really need to be shown to because if stack/pot ratio is like 4, we need to bet much smaller than half pot etc etc.

Post an actual hand of this spot for a better reply.

not much info to go on buddy but I would c-bet half - 3/4 pot initially an if i get called check call if you have a read on the player... not a great hand to put your life on the line with

Half pot every bet

On board like 2 6 J and you have A J on pot like 950 i think here was a great bet of 550.. Or bet 3/4 of pot or 60% ..

3bet is normally. With this bet you can check his reaction and power of his hand, if he called - he had strong pair or set, if he re-raise it mean he had monsters of good dro. And in condition of the tournaments, re-raise can mean the bluff

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3/4 of the pot is fine i think.take some value and shove on turn
also fold in a post flop raise from your opponent

Thanks for all of the suggestions. I think I did the right things but some people just won't let go of a draw.

I would bet around 2/3 to 3/4 of pot.

What is important is, you have to bet not to give free card if he is drawing.

Yes, 1/2 to 3/4 is pretty standard these days.

You should have had nothing left to bet after the flop, otherwise you were not playing to win.

You want to bet 3/4 pot on the flop. If he calls and the next card is a blank, then pot size bet. At this point you most likely ahead. If you lose, at least you know you played it right.

PBG789 said:

The answer to this, as with many things in poker, is it depends. Need a lot more info to go on such as tournament structure, blinds/antes, stack sizes, position, pre-flop action, etc

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You summarized it well.

You must have a certain and pre-planned range of bets. These help you hide strength of your hand or a bluff. Do not use heterogeneous rate.

hit top pair on the flop with Kiker A. I think it has to be post flop aggressor, tuner and river always betting half pot

johnsonrod said:

You should have had nothing left to bet after the flop, otherwise you were not playing to win.

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So he should shove allin on the flop then? Isn't he actually going to potentially lose value that way?

What worse hands are going to call? (what better ones are going to fold?)

My question is how much should I bet before the turn and before the river to make it not worth his while to continue. What prompted this thread was a hand where my opponent did have KQ, I raised pot after flop and pot after turn, he called both and got a queen on the river. It was a freeroll, so he might have stuck with his hand no matter what to suck out on the river.

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Pray for this type of action for the rest of your life! Chasing two overs with no str8 draw!?! Yes, pray for this!

In regards to bet sizing keep in mind your either Value betting or protecting your hand. The sizes for value should be pushed to the most you think somebody will pay for two if not 3 barrels. The protecting part is the tricky part. IF your going for a protection bet or 'pricing them out' you can't guarantee that they will obey traffic laws and fold. I've seen it too often with micro, low & medium stakes. Even throwing a pot sized bet on the turn trying to fold somebody who has decided they are going to the river even if it puts them all-in. So if knowing they are going to hang on for the ride then size your bet for promising profit and never give them a free street without over committing to the hand so if it does go bad, which will happen more often than you want, then you can go to the muck with nothing more than a sigh rather than launching your laptop across the street like an Olympic hammer thrower. Ex; lets say you have 45bb with a pot of 6.5bb on the flop. You don't want to commit more than 12bb to the hand. conventional wisdom says it's harder to call the second bet of equal value if your to bet 5f-5t (you don't have to take every hand to 'tapping out') another would be to take a shot at sitting them down by betting 7bb then 5 more on the turn. You knowing more about your opponent will teach you more about what to do rather than a situation of a standard play.

i think a little more than half pot is always good for any bet.

but as you said, it was a freeroll, so don't expect reasonable play from others.. he was just stuck with that hand and you got unlucky on the river... probably shoulve put him all in on the turn, but i dont know the stack sizes to afirm this.

when you play you gotta play more his stack than yours, keep that in mind... good luck

I usually c-bet 35-40% of the pot, on tournaments, everytime I'm going to c-bet, regardless of having top pair ace, jack, overpair, or total air unless I feel my hand is vulnerable and needs protection, so I bet a tad higher.

However, if you're going to c-bet or not, it depends.

Are you in position?
Do you have your opponent covered? Is he short stacked?
Does your opponent have tendencies to check raise light on the flop?
Does your opponent fold to c-bet often, like a tight passive?
Is the board wet or dry?
If the board is wet and you hit a pair: Are you also drawing to a nutty-like hand (eg.: board is 2sTsJs and you have JhAs)?
If the board is dry: are there overcards to your J?

General guideline for c-betting: don't c-bet