How Many Stand Offs On Route To Final Table

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Consider a MTT with 3000 players. How many all-ins would you expect to make (against a similar stack size) on route to a final table.

Much will depend on style of play of course and there's no right or wrong. But I'm wondering, for example, how many people get to final table without all in and how many use it as a regular weapon.

This is part of my exploration into 'winning' vs 'not losing' poker strategies.

Currently I think I could final table with around 3 stand offs - but would only final table without that kind of play if I'd built a big chip lead and managed to maintain it.

This morning I probably went all in on route to winning a free roll (c2800 players) many more than 3 times. But at one point I had a huge chip lead (about 50% of chips with 10 or so remaining). They don't count - I'm thinking of the all-ins that could eliminate or close to eliminate you from the game if you lose. Times when you weed to build a stack to make the final table in good shape - to be in contention.

I noticed playing knockout tournaments that towards the end there are often one or two people who only have their original head value ie. they haven't eliminated anyone. Whereas others have eliminated 8 or more people. This may just be down to the cards on the day - but more likely it points towards consistent differences in playing style.
 
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Somebody said to me once you need about 10 flips to go in your favor to win a big tourney 4000 +...Don't know if that is correct though but it sounds about right.
 
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I've won mtts with no more than two or 3 big flips before now in big fields (and these flips were with AA/KK maybe QQ.
If you find yourself getting good hands post flop against aggressive players or bad players you can quite easily stack opponents without flipping for it.

Although its often correct to call smaller stacks when you hold AK and big pairs there are some pros out there or great tournament players that avoid big all ins when they are likely flipping since they prefer to accumalate there chips throughout the tournament
 
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if you mean allin preflop, i think you should go only with monsters and just one player against sometimes 2

but if you mean allin postflop, the number could be higher maybe over 10 times in mtt where you need at least 200 hands to reach final table

i think every mtt has its own story so don`t like to go that way, i mean when i start to play i liked milestones, so i said i had to see 15 of the first 50 flops, 10 of the next 50, and so on, and went like i had to have that number of chips after 30 min, and after 1h and so on,

but then i realised that one can not push the things like that because one put other variables in play which destroy the game, so now my view is slightly different, i don`t care about numbers or stats that don`t impact the table where i`m playing, for instance what`s the difference between seeing 2 flops in a 100 hands or seeing it 50 times if you have the same amount of chips?

yesterday i was plpaying a 90 players mtt, and i registered but had to go for a while, so when i arrived there were played like 50 hands, two hands later i got AKs and somebody with a bigger stack shove and so i did and a third villain did as well, i won, i tripled, no more action for me until i got QQ ten hands later, 4 limpers, i put 8bb one of the limpers went allin i called and won, tripled again, no more action for me for a long time, but when i realised there were remaining just 15 players and i was 3rd, so it gave me a great lesson about patience in poker pays off, so don`t force things just let them be
 
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This really heavily depends on how early you build up a stack.

If you get the hands early on and have a large stack. You can afford to bully others around a bit more and keep growing your stack with blinds.

If you start off slow and the blinds start to catch up on you, you will be forced to be pushing many more times on route to a final table position.
 
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I think we need to define the question better.

For instance....being "all in" means nothing unless you are at risk. I'd say anytime 80+% of your chips are actually at risk we can consider that being "all-in" for all intents and purposes.

secondly, are we talking preflop or anytime? If we are talking preflop the number should be a lot smaller than the other.

For example, in a large MTT my guess would be that you would be all in and at risk preflop somewhere around 6-12 times, totally a guess. But you might be all in and at risk upwards of 20+ times in a tourney if you are counting to the river.
 
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I'm not sure I see the point of the original question. Whatever happens happens. And being all in is quite different when you're at risk or not.

Over the years, I've won a few tournaments with fields up to 200-300 without ever being at risk for my tournament life. Otoh, I know I've had other times where I was at risk and survived several times - just guessing, I'd say the most ever was at least 10.
 
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