how do you play overpairs when you face a reraise?

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i have trouble in mtts with this situation , lets assume your opponent in the pot is a taglag player who called your standar 3bb raise and you have AA , you make a standar 40-60% cbet and he reraise you and you have no way to put him on a hand , what are you going to do?

the problem is when i play a standar tight style similar to harrington's im card dead most of the time and in order to accumulate chips i have to push in these situations , sometimes its just a bluff but usually you are beated , its not that bad to lose much in this in cash games but its painfull in tournament because you have to survive a lot of these situations , its funny how many times such situations occurs in mtts.

so what would you do especially if you are a tight player? and its pretty easy to be carddead until you enter in shortstack mode when you play tight , shall i just play looser and treat such hands like mediocre small pot hands?
 
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i have trouble in mtts with this situation , lets assume your opponent in the pot is a taglag player who called your standar 3bb raise and you have AA , you make a standar 40-60% cbet and he reraise you and you have no way to put him on a hand , what are you going to do?

the problem is when i play a standar tight style similar to harrington's im card dead most of the time and in order to accumulate chips i have to push in these situations , sometimes its just a bluff but usually you are beated , its not that bad to lose much in this in cash games but its painfull in tournament because you have to survive a lot of these situations , its funny how many times such situations occurs in mtts.

so what would you do especially if you are a tight player? and its pretty easy to be carddead until you enter in shortstack mode when you play tight , shall i just play looser and treat such hands like mediocre small pot hands?

For a better answer post the actual hand. Lot's of information goes into this decision and you are giving very little. You can always put him on hand range - a lot of it depends on the texture of the board which you are not giving us.
 
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how do you play taglag?
 
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I am guessing tag/lag means he mixes up his play. Tight for a few orbits then loose for a few orbits? Anytime you face a re raise with a pair you are put in tough spot some easier to decide then others but what you are asking is really tough to answer. If you are playing very tight maybe guy out flopped you or maybe knows you'll fold to a reraise since you so tight. Put some more detail in it for us so we can have better idea. Post hand
 
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As others have said not enough information. Was other player in the blind, late postion, etc. He may have flopped 2 pair or a set, who knows. Do you have position? Lots of other questions. :confused:
 
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well , the question was basically what are you going to do if the information you have isnt sufficient enough but i will give an example:

My opponent is a solid tag player but he will call down lighter than tag sometimes and im a tag aswell , Im on hijack and he is on the BB and he calls my 3x BB raise , he check , i lead with a 50% cbet and he reraise 3x my cbet , i have AA and the board is : 4s Jh 8h what am i going to do?
I can put him on:
A Draw
Trips
Slowplay overpair
Check-Raise Bluff
He may overplay a hand like AJ

so he may have just about everything , i may lose my stack or double up, what is the best thing to do?
 
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My opponent is a solid tag player but he will call down lighter than tag sometimes and im a tag aswell , Im on hijack and he is on the BB and he calls my 3x BB raise , he check , i lead with a 50% cbet and he reraise 3x my cbet , i have AA and the board is : 4s Jh 8h what am i going to do?
I can put him on:
A Draw
Trips
Slowplay overpair
Check-Raise Bluff
He may overplay a hand like AJ

so he may have just about everything , i may lose my stack or double up, what is the best thing to do?

A Draw - GOOD
Two Pair - BAD
A Set (Trips is 2 of the 3 on the board) - BAD
Slow playing over pair - GREAT
Check-Raise Bluff - GREAT
TPTK - GREAT

Now do the math - you are certainly not going to fold are you. You have to decide if villain is capable of making this bet on a nut draw like 9Th or Axh. If not you can maybe eliminate that possible outcome. What is the most likely of the above? Is two pair on that board likely for this guy? If not you can all but eliminate that as one of the bad outcomes.

This is where you need to slow everything down and summon everything you have witnessed and observed about this guy.

Call or Raise? That is the question and I could see either depending on the above.
 
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i would have to reraise him here and put him on AJ/Flush draw.. and it really depends what the chip stacks are
 
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A Draw - GOOD
Two Pair - BAD
A Set (Trips is 2 of the 3 on the board) - BAD
Slow playing over pair - GREAT
Check-Raise Bluff - GREAT
TPTK - GREAT

Now do the math - you are certainly not going to fold are you. You have to decide if villain is capable of making this bet on a nut draw like 9Th or Axh. If not you can maybe eliminate that possible outcome. What is the most likely of the above? Is two pair on that board likely for this guy? If not you can all but eliminate that as one of the bad outcomes.

This is where you need to slow everything down and summon everything you have witnessed and observed about this guy.

Call or Raise? That is the question and I could see either depending on the above.


I can assume that a random tag player is capable of doing all of the above but you can never be 100% correct in mtts because you dont have much time to analyze your opponent like in cash games so i can only guess that all of the above are possible.

The biggest chance though is that he have trips because its the most correct play and if he does im out of the tournament even if the odds are against him to have it but according to what you are saying i should play the hand even if trips is the only threat to me if i can assume he can do all these plays?
 
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I think you're giving villain too much credit, he called a late pos. raise from the bb possibly a defensive call and is playing back at you on a pretty dry board against a pf raise and cbet. Could be top pair any kicker, could be air trying to push you off AK/AQ/KQ/TT. What were the stacksizes/betsizes was it a min c/r or a big c/r?
 
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I think you're giving villain too much credit, he called a late pos. raise from the bb possibly a defensive call and is playing back at you on a pretty dry board against a pf raise and cbet. Could be top pair any kicker, could be air trying to push you off AK/AQ/KQ/TT. What were the stacksizes/betsizes was it a min c/r or a big c/r?

Deepstack early-mid in the tournament , the c/r was 10bb , yes he may try to push me of a hand but as i said even though c/r bluff is possible still the biggest chance goes to trips thats why im kinda paranoid about this. I was thinking to call to see what he does on the turn but i dont know... some players feel they are commited and they just continue to fire big bets.
 
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It doesn't really make sense to c/r 10bb with a monster to try and get you to fold. Only time this would be a good play is if he is 100% positive you have AA/KK/QQ or maybe AJ and are going to call or reraise ai. Why would he want you to fold if he's got you that dominated? I think, unless he's a super fish and doesn't know how to get value from his big hands, that he is trying to get you to fold and prob. doesn't know you already have a made hand, maybe even semi/bluffing with a flush draw, or possibly top pair and thinks he has the best hand. But you can't automatically give this much credit to a bb call and c/r on that board imo unless you've seen him c/r 10bb's with big hands previously. I say reraise/shove or reraise and call a shove depending on stacksize.
 
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WHAT ARE THE STACK SIZES / BLINDS this is a huge factor in deciding wether to call or shove all in on this guy , i hope your not even thinking about folding here otherwise your not a tag but tight and passive .
I think raise > call with the information given
read mediablitz post again and do the maths
A Draw - GOOD
Two Pair - BAD
A Set (Trips is 2 of the 3 on the board) - BAD
Slow playing over pair - GREAT
Check-Raise Bluff - GREAT
TPTK - GREAT

how often are you infront or behind ?
 
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