How do you play big stack?

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Big stack play in micro mtt

Okay so I play micro stacks mtt and cash and I was wondering what the best strategy is when your big stack when I'm short or small stack I feel I play well but my big stack play seem terrible I don't know if it's because I'm not playing aggressive enough but when I try to be in micro stack you get to many 🐟🐟Maniacs🐠🐠 re raising or shoving thanks for any advice😊

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i win most of my money from micro MTTs, usually not the larger fields, maximum entrants of about 200-300 people

and my theory is "when you have a big stack, your game shouldnt change"
we dont want to be getting involved in too many flips
the basic concept is if opponent has 10BB or less, they are looking for a double up, so to steal from this type of opponent you must have a big hand
reasoning "if opponent re raises you, you are almost inclined to call purely on the odds left"
if your opponent on the other hand has 20-30BB, be agressive against them, they have so much fold equity and should be sitting much tighter trying to find a descent hand to get it all in with
so again, for 20BB we must have a monster hand to race with
Then you have other big stacks, and if you are going to get involved with another big stack, these are the people that you can harm if they play badly, but vice versa, caution should be taken because they can also harm you
 
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I used to get so loose, when I have big stack, that I spew it almost right away... Don't change your game if you have a big stack, sure you can go into the hand with wider range, but much more than before.
It also depends on the game flow, if people around you are extra tight - you can use your big stack to steal, watch out for small stacks tho, because they will sove on you more often. Good luck!
 
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Thank you very much for your advice also I play at pokerstars do you know any regular micro tournaments that don't get swollen with people and thank you again

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lol@ who says that deep stack u should play in the same way as u playing short.

I promise to write you something about, after lunch :)
 
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the deep stack play vs short stack play has several difference.
first of all poker is a situational game so according with oppos, stack, avg, bb ect you should adjust your play.

very important is to consider your stack in relation with others. playing 40bb vs a 15bb in blind war for example, doesnt allow you playing like if u playing against another deep stack. u have to adjust and open a range which u r sure to call if shoved (except if bb is so nit that u can raise atc any unopened pot). I can hazard to say that u'd almost play as u are short stack too.

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while writing this post i googled it and found that CC has a pretty good basic article about it, here's the link, enjoy:

https://www.cardschat.com/mtt-short-stack.php
 
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everything will depend on the blinds you have and the time if you are near or inside the bubble, if you got 10 or less blindly hand range will have to be wider and you have to go allin, if you're chip leader can put more pressure and steal the blinds. but I repeat all depends on the time of the tournament and the number of blind you have .. greetings.
 
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If you can fold with big stack in pre-flop cards like K8(different suits) then you should't be problem to get your stack bigger and bigger.
First and head problem with large stack's is that, what you call to mini-raises or bet's with low card and that's the reason why your stack getting smaller.
 
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When you are big stack, you have to play extremely tight, specially against other bigstacks. If all the players of the table are short, you have to play as if you were short also. But when you are bighstack, try not to play big pots with top pair. Just se mine, play some suited connectors, see what draws you get. I would never end all in with top pair, unless I'm pretty sure I'm not behind
 
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I seem to struggle with having a big stack in middle stages of the tourney. I really do find myself playing a lot more solid and seem to be able to steal pots when im in the 15 to 30 BB's. I do play pretty tight for the most part. But I will get better than good whole cards and will get maniac all in shoves and make the call with AA KK QQ AK AQ AJ. The donk goes all in A10 A7 KJ KQ 99 1010, and will double up and the tourney always seems to turn after this kind of bad beat. I have been doing better at keeping my head on straight to keep myself from going on tilt. But the fact is, is that I have this happen and start losing my stack. I'm going to try to keep up my aggression and keep the strategy in tact by not letting the big stack effect my mental state and play different. I will always mix it up, but will try this angle of staying the course. Thanks kingmunchers!
 
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You really don't have to do to much differently. Just play as you have been playing. Although having the big stacks you can see more flops with marginal hands (suited connectors, one-gappers, paint cards), and you also be more aggressive with these hands. But I recommend if you are going to do so, play them in position. It can be very profitable to 3bet theses hands in late position. Calling from the blinds with them is a good way to lose a lot of chips, but you can get away with playing them every now and then, not every time. Overall, just keeping playing your game, get slightly more aggressive but always in position, and keep building your stack.
 
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I disagree with playing a big stack the same as an average stack.

You don't have to completely retool your game, but you NEED to use your chips as your weapons.

According to ICM chips in a big stack are worth less than chips in a short stack...you can use this to your advantage by putting pressure on the right opponents. Their 1,000 in chips is worth much more to them than that same 1,000 is to you.

You want to pick the right players to put pressure on. basically medium stacks who have more options than shove or fold. Avoid playing pots with short stacks and big stacks unless you are playing the value of your own 2 cards. When you are playing vs. medium stacks you can play the value of your hand, plus you can play your position and you can play their weakness.

If you have 30,000 and they are a medium stack with 7,000 you can put them all in on a scare card when you hold 2nd pair or some other marginal hand....they won't be able to call away their tourney life without a really strong hand or a really good read. You couldn't make that same move if you only had 7,000 yourself. that's just an example.

Avoid calling, especially calling all-ins. You want to use your stack to put pressure on your opponents by betting relentlessly. pounce on weakness.
 
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According to ICM chips in a big stack are worth less than chips in a short stack...you can use this to your advantage by putting pressure on the right opponents. Their 1,000 in chips is worth much more to them than that same 1,000 is to you.

I agree with this. Although I'm not a good front runner eg. last night I was the biggest stack with 165k and the next was around 120k, average probably just 20k or less. But within minutes I was down to 50k. I got back and made it to final table but I think I get too loose when I have a big stack.

I think you need to be aggressive enough to be able to bully the table - which will vary according to who and stacks etc. If you're too tight people can still bully you even if you dwarf their stack. I've had this happen and in no time I'm average stack and then below.

I think valuing a big stack is a mistake for me. I'm only marginally more likely to win a tournament from biggest stack with 12 tables to go than I am with an average stack at the same time. So may as well use the chips and possibly lose them than sit on them and they lose their value. This probably points to a number of serious leaks in my game but I'm novice so I wouldn't know yet.
 
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i think you play too loose when you are big stack. don't become crazy and stick to your tight-agressive play. ok you can loosen up a bit but don't play 50% of hands.
 
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some great advice in this threadOP im goin to try and incorporate it into my game tonight
 
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It's not simply a matter of adapting your game whenever you have a big stack. The key is to identify situations where you can use your stack size *effectively*. As a fairly simple example, if you're at a table where everyone has tightened up because they don't want to tangle with you unless they have a premium hand, you should broaden your opening range. Otoh, if you're at a table where the opponents are shoving a lot, you should probably narrow your opening range.
 
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Question is slightly off track but are there any hands you would not play absolutely independent of stack, position, opponents?
 
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The reason I ask, is because in some MTTs, I have seen really good players play just about any combination of cards. So is this just the games I'm sitting at or is this true in general?
 
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I almost never play the bottom 5% of hands unless there is an extremely compelling reason to do so. Sometimes live you get a tell so reliable that you can re-pop the person with any 2 cards. Sometimes in a tourney when you find yourself crippled with less than 4 BB you have to play any 2 cards

this would be most hands with a deuce or a 3 in them, especially if both cards are under a T
 
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Big stack bully or softy?

When you are the big stack on the table do you push others around with your chips or do you sit out and let others get some of the share? Why and why not?
 
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Depends on a few factors including the presence of other big stacks, size of the blinds in relation to everyone's stacks, how close/far away the money bubble is.

Near the bubble with the biggest stack at the table I am often raising pre-flop looking to steal small pots. As the blinds get higher and higher this becomes even more profitable since most stacks are looking for hands they can push with and will fold everything else.
 
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depends on the tournement, whether it's within ur bankroll or whether the tournement is something you satelited into. I usually play a high varience style and play it the same as a sng if on a final table to get advantage of other peoples ICM
 
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Of course all is much more pleasant to play with a big stack, but the main thing is not to relax and not to bluff for nothing.
 
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Of course all is much more pleasant to play with a big stack, but the main thing is not to relax and not to bluff for nothing.

love that bluff for nothing, yeah don't don't it , and actually watch big stacks do it , and waste their precious chips.

but itts really a situation thing. if your comfortable being aggro, then yeah push that stack around, if not be careful you'll fold your dreams away
 
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It depends. I am not going to try to bully around real short stacks that are behind me. They are going to be looking for a spot to shove and I dont want to lose chips with a marginal hand. If everyone is willing to let you bully them and steal pots then do it. If not just play tight and steal a pot when you get a chance to.
 
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