How do you play 10 10 in MTTs?

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So guys, how do you play this hand? At the start of a MTT and if you are deep?
I find it very difficult to value my hand at the start of the MTT and sometimes I all in, or 3bet, depends on the MTT Free or paid :)
If I go deep I probably gonna shove 10 10 in position and fold if someone raised a lot before me.
Any thoughts?
 
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I think the most important thing is to have a good read on your opponents without this you're lost no matter what hand you have. Cold early in the multi table tournament out of position, you'd probably make a mid raise and see what happens, and then adjust your play accordingly. On the button with everybody folding in front of you, try to steal the blinds, With a big raise.
 
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early on mtt i play weak... if improved i will cash a lot, if not easy fold... late in the game play strong, and with one overcard on the flop, try to represent it... then watch on opponent move..
 
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It's all completely situational... Post a specific situation with enough information and some great MTT players can help you
 
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It's always situational, but be very very careful if you make a set on the flop and there's any kind of connecting card attached to it. odds are your villian(s) will have some straight possibility drawing options, so don't give them any free cards. Consider chucking it if you run into heavy resistance with a set and lots of paint on the board.
 
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Yes, it is situational. Lets try this situation in particular:
MTT has just started. On your 1st hand 10 10 popps. You are UTG+2 or MP1. UTG limps. You know that in starting hands in MTT ppl tend to all-in a lot and if you all-in or raise there is a fair chance of you getting called or re-raised. Whats your game?
 
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When i m deep, i play TT for example: in early position i make a raise, if somebody 3bet me, then i make a call and try to hit a set. In late position is similar, somebody make a raise, I don't make a 3bet, I only make a call and try hit a set. If board is 239 I probably go all in, if are some overcards I probably fold after the flop. But when are some overcards on board I can make a C-bet and try to take the initiative.
 
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early on you don't really want to get too attached to a hand. if you raise 3x like normal, you will stick get any nutball to call for such a small portion of their stack. Ideally you want to get 3 bet. OOP just flat. In position, you have the option of 4betting but i prefer to flat here as well. If you flop your set, figure out a way to get all the chips in the middle. If you miss, make standard cbet. If shoved on, you're probably in bad shape. People have so many chips, they will call you with K5o or other trash. Just be patient. Early in the tournament just sit back and try and get a feel for the table and if there are fish there dying to be stacked off.
Frequently at the low buy in tournaments, you're not going to get someone to fold preflop while the blinds are cheap. I'd make the standard raise and just give it up if there's too much pressure. Abuse these fish. Get your tptk, hit your broadyway straights, nut flushes and jam them. They aren't folding so dont get fancy.
Also last thing, at low buy in tourneys in the early stages. Don't bluff. They will call you don't. If you have Kk and there's an A on board, they will see you at the river. Even if they called you with A2o, they aren't letting go. So instead of bluffing them, ram your nutted hands all over them.
 
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In the eary phases of the tournament I tend to just call and try to see the flop. I would not go for a all in nor try to build a big pot. Later in the tournament I raise, cause in this phase I want to get deep. At the final table (depends my stack) I would go all in
 
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Yes, it is situational. Lets try this situation in particular:
MTT has just started. On your 1st hand 10 10 popps. You are UTG+2 or MP1. UTG limps. You know that in starting hands in MTT ppl tend to all-in a lot and if you all-in or raise there is a fair chance of you getting called or re-raised. Whats your game?

I'm raising always 100% of the time. If the UTG 3 bets... His range Is extremely polarized to QQ/KK/AA/AK if he's bad. So raise... And re think if UTG three bets u after his limp... Because that play Is very strong. It is likely he will flat call your raise, allowing u to re evaluate the flop
 
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I would play pocket 10s fairly aggressively, but try not to get too carried away. I'm going to raise pre-flop between 3x and 5x to try to get speculative type hands (bingo players) out of the pot. You don't want someone getting involved with 8-5 suited and flopping two crappy pair on you. But like I said, don't get carried away. It is only 10s, after all. I'm probably going to be prepared to at least make a continuation bet after the flop. Obviously, you need to be wary of any overcards that hit the board, but I don't like checking because it opens you up to a bluff. You want to be the one putting pressure on. If someone is willing to call your pre-flop raise and then come along with you on the flop, then you know you might need to be wary of the strength of their hand. But now you know that. Limping in and checking or check/calling the flop gives you no information at all. If you're not going to play it, then don't play it. You might as well shove or fold pre. I personally don't think 10s are strong enough for a pre-flop shove, but it's way too strong to fold. So play it. But if you're going to play it, then play it.
 
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Yes, it is situational. Lets try this situation in particular:
MTT has just started. On your 1st hand 10 10 popps. You are UTG+2 or MP1. UTG limps. You know that in starting hands in MTT ppl tend to all-in a lot and if you all-in or raise there is a fair chance of you getting called or re-raised. Whats your game?
This is 100% untrue. Players don't tend to allin alot in early levels (not in 'real' games)... that'd be absurd especially while deep.

Seeing this question posted I'd strongly suggest reading the strategy section here on Cardschat because there's like HUGE gaps here.

As far as the question re: playin' TT in a tourney goes > I play poker with it. (in other words 'it depends').
Also the hand example given seems weird. Really it seems like a total donkroll (freeroll) or playchip game. If it is, that's fine but maybe include that info. (keep it in context).
 
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Thanks for the advices, guys!
Yes, I'm fairly new to poker. I've been playing for not more than 40 days so you can easily say I'm a newb. I'm reading and educating myself, but skills doesn't just pop from nowhere! I play mostly freerolls and micros, so a lot of players just shove at the beginning.
Dumb questions are bound to be asked in the process of learning something new!

GL to everyone!
 
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Thanks for the advices, guys!
Yes, I'm fairly new to poker. I've been playing for not more than 40 days so you can easily say I'm a newb. I'm reading and educating myself, but skills doesn't just pop from nowhere! I play mostly freerolls and micros, so a lot of players just shove at the beginning.
Dumb questions are bound to be asked in the process of learning something new!

GL to everyone!

i bet that is not true... previous post contains expressions like mtt, popps, utg+/-, mp1, ppl... you are playing poker (and discused it) for some time.. But not so hard to read, heh:)
 
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i bet that is not true... previous post contains expressions like mtt, popps, utg+/-, mp1, ppl... you are playing poker (and discused it) for some time.. But not so hard to read, heh:)

Which part do you think it is not true?
That I've played for 40 days or that I'm educating myself?
I indeed play poker for a month and a half, but in this time I registered here, PSO and some other sites. I attend to some live training here and there. I know I'm far from great, hell even a good player, but thats the way it is. You can't have it all in notime :D
 
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Which part do you think it is not true?
That I've played for 40 days or that I'm educating myself?
I indeed play poker for a month and a half, but in this time I registered here, PSO and some other sites. I attend to some live training here and there. I know I'm far from great, hell even a good player, but thats the way it is. You can't have it all in notime :D

In fact... U can't have it all in a lifetime. Lol... Nobody really can... Not even the very best players in the world
 
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In fact... U can't have it all in a lifetime. Lol... Nobody really can... Not even the very best players in the world

I was talking about the skills. But are right and thats the beauty of this game!
 
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Which part do you think it is not true?
That I've played for 40 days or that I'm educating myself?
I indeed play poker for a month and a half, but in this time I registered here, PSO and some other sites. I attend to some live training here and there. I know I'm far from great, hell even a good player, but thats the way it is. You can't have it all in notime :D

i play poker little longer, from last november, i also learn a lot, read a lot, registered here and at the pso and all because that even that sometime i have good days and win some money on mtt, i actually loosing money slowly...

To OP question, in freerolls and in micro rebuy with all the donk fest at the beginning ill always move in with pocket 10, in the later stage ill adjust my play to the table and to the position but wont get to crazy with them, specially with the overcard on flop or even if i flop a set on a wet board...
 
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Yes, I'm fairly new to poker. I've been playing for not more than 40 days so you can easily say I'm a newb. I'm reading and educating myself, but skills doesn't just pop from nowhere! I play mostly freerolls and micros, so a lot of players just shove at the beginning.
Dumb questions are bound to be asked in the process of learning something new!
Hey it's not problem & sorry if I came off sounding like a dick. It was just the scenario you described is far from the norm in a typical game ... but in a freeroll it might be totally standard.
gl on your poker journey! When I first started out (online) I found learning the game was a big part of the fun (at least it's a big part of what attracted me to the game).
 
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Ask yourself the simple question, "Are you (am I) willing to die on the very first hand of this tourney with TT?" Then act accordingly.

You have a hand you certainly would like to scoop the blinds with, and maybe test the waters with, but is it really worth a shove, or a call of a shove?

And to PO, most every tourney, at any buy-in, will have it's share of maniacs until they either kill themselves (usual case), or satisfy that urge to get big fast. And I see that in live tourneys as well, especially those with re-entries or re-buys.

With TT I want to improve before committing all my chips. That means seeing the flop, and while I have a tendency to see a flop at most any price in these cases, I do have limits. So depending on my position, and HUD stats (if any) I might limp, or raise if I think the maniacs somehow avoided this game. But not gonna shove here unless the whole table has limped and I can at least pretend I am squeezing.... Sort of makes that a SB, or BB move.

It's hard enough shoving first hand of a tourney with AA hoping the table is full of lagtards. Why do it with only TT?
 
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It happened to me today got TT the very first hand and I was UTG. I just min call lots of limpers come in but the big blind makes a huge 7 BB raise. I have a tough decision to make, does the big blind have an over pair or a big ace? If I am playing this hand then I shouldnt be folding if no over cards come. But I had position on the big blind obviously so just thought it was worth taking a risk with 7 BB raise.

Everyone folds and I flop the nuts with 10-2-6 flop with 2 hearts. He keeps firing and I keep calling. The turn is an ace of hearts which worries me a little but I do have the 10 of hearts just in case a heart comes, I have 2/3 chips in by the turn. The river is another heart, he goes all-in and I am far too invested to fold now especially holding the 10 of hearts. Turns out he has KK with the K of hearts.

This was really unfortunate for me I was out in the first hand. It was very bad luck but I thought to myself what if I didnt make the set and no over card came? If I am just calling so much hoping to make a set then thats just stupid.

As long as it is a genuine raise you are never gonna be dominating with TT but sometimes you would get utterly dominated. When I look back at the hand I see that I shouldnt have played it to begin it.
 
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middle pokets / usually dominated on flop . early mtt , lymp or min raise thats depend and call a raiser or a sqeezer if it about 10% of the stack .
 
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differently depending on the players at the table .
 
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I think the most important thing is to have a good read on your opponents without this you're lost no matter what hand you have. Cold early in the multi table tournament out of position, you'd probably make a mid raise and see what happens, and then adjust your play accordingly. On the button with everybody folding in front of you, try to steal the blinds, With a big raise.
It's not really a steal with pocket 10s. :D
 
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definitely wanna raise here and get rid of everyone who is willing to call with any ace or king. a lot of people will call with low kickers and an ace or king if they are suited but given a raise they will most likely fold it. obv depending on blinds and how big your stack is. If blinds are high and your shot stacked push that ish all in!!!! go for the money baby!!!!
 
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