How do you manage your stealing in later positions?

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I need some advice here, when I read weakness at the table un the preflop bet I open with 3BB or raising pot, I get some calls and if the flop shows bad cards (under 8s, no straight por flush draws) I keep betting a little more half the por to steal the pot, and if get a calle, keep the sale strategy. Do you have any strategy in these cases you mayor share?

Last night at a MTT i got a bad result in a hand, I got KQs in the BU and open by betting pot, i got a call from BB and a MP player. Th flop is J 3 7 rainbow, everyone checks so I bet 3/4 the pot, BB folds and MP player calls, the turn is a 5, he checks and I bet 3/4 the por again, he calls. The river is a K, he raises All-in... I think for a while, given the way he played I read him with the J or a straight draw and trying to steel the por, so I called.. He shows AK and Win the hand and all my chips. What do you think about this?
 
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nice read by him. This board suits callers more than open-raiser. Even if you have set or TPTK would you really be betting that much for two streets? Looks like you were bluffing maybe he got a note on you already, again nice read imo.
 
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nice read by him. This board suits callers more than open-raiser. Even if you have set or TPTK would you really be betting that much for two streets? Looks like you were bluffing maybe he got a note on you already, again nice read imo.

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Is there a possibility he's seen you steal or bet 2/3 pot too frequently? How deep (bb stack depth) were you guys at this stage? If it's a turbo / hyper, he may even have good reason to believe he's ahead with AK given the dry board and your tendency to c-bet after the flop.

If you can post some more information on the history b/w the two of you it will be easier to understand why he called.
 
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It was the first time I played with him... I guess it as the size of the bet... I dont know... How you would playa that hand?
 
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It was the first time I played with him... I guess it as the size of the bet... I dont know... How you would playa that hand?

Very sorry didn't reply earlier. I wasn't checking the thread. There are far better players than me in this forum but here are my two cents.

It depends. If early stages of a tourney:

  1. Maniac player I would call
  2. Loose player I would fold. I'd guess he hit a two pair or better.
  3. Tight player I would fold easily.
Having said that I would have checked the turn for pot control so that I wouldn't feel to pot committed to call on the river and then assessed my decision based on the river.

In the late stages of the tournament and shortstacked (<10bb) I would definitely do what you did without a second thought.
 
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I personally don't agree with the way MP played AK here. (Unless you are in mid/late game with good stacks, he's just airing with AK. I'd usually fold my AK here. Even on he river the shove is pretty risky. because he's calling top pair top kicker. And there's a straight draw on the board with you firing two streets big bets, it's a likely fold for me.

What's your position again? Button? If he's the MP then how come you are the first to enter the pot?

Assuming you are the button and he's out of position, I'd usually 3bet with AK if I was in his position. Even with position I'd usually 3bet unless you are trying to trap which is very unlikely of AK.

Anyway from your point of view, I guess if he has seen you firing a lot of flop bets with dry boards, he'd assume you're probably bluffing small pots alot. And it's ok to do that but not too often cause it'll effect your table image.

after he called the turn bet, definitely there should be some alarms raising in your head that he has hit a straight draw with perhaps 46s or a set or even slow playing a monster.
River is a definite fold for me regardless of the outcome unless you know the villain and get good reads out of his plays.

Again I'm not quite aware of the villains and your position. + it's very risky to go for a steal against more than 1 player.
 
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Last night at a MTT i got a bad result in a hand, I got KQs in the BU and open by betting pot, i got a call from BB and a MP player. Th flop is J 3 7 rainbow, everyone checks so I bet 3/4 the pot, BB folds and MP player calls, the turn is a 5, he checks and I bet 3/4 the por again, he calls. The river is a K, he raises All-in... I think for a while, given the way he played I read him with the J or a straight draw and trying to steel the por, so I called.. He shows AK and Win the hand and all my chips. What do you think about this?
Bet smaller on that flop vs 2 players.

You've completely missed and only have a possible backdoor draw. After they check, you can bet 1/3 here and get the same results as betting 3/4s. If they have nothing, they fold and you pick up the pot.

Betting the turn is just terrible as it changes nothing on the board. If villain is calling a 3/4s pot bet on the flop, they're definitely calling a bet on that turn. Just check behind and see a free river.

Fold river. You only have a single pair and get beat out by hands like KJ, 33, 77. I'd expect hands like JJ, KK, and AK to 3bet preflop, though AK didn't in this situation.
 
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