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Hi guys,

i have been a little quiet no bankroll so i freeroll a lot.
now i do get a dollar here and there so i can play some "normal" games and sometimes a big tournament (pokerstars)

now i have played the big 4.40 at night a few times last week and the week before. The first week i cashed 3 out of 4 (1 very deep 54, one just after the bubble 600+ and one about the middle)
in this week i also finished 3th in a 1.10 night timed tournament.
I have faith in my game 100%
I know how to play and i know what games are for me. i am best to enter 3th level, with stack around 60/90 bb. this gives me fold space and time for me to get into the game. i play 1 game at a time i like to focus and maybe have a chat here and there (social :) ) blind levels 10 mins.
i easily manage the deep turbo formats on P.S. (given my preferences) as soon as i hit the target tournament i however have a lot of trouble with a special kind of people.

players who (most likely) satelited in for not so much and then just flip any given hand and (ofcours) "sometimes" walk away. just only when i have a great hand ;) a little example.
i came in the big 11, level 2 i had to fold a few hands after the flop so i lost a little stack and had about 2.2k left. then this player comes sitting 2 seats before me (I am BB he is B) first hand he gets dealth he flips all-in, gets called by a big stack shows 5Jo vs AK, table runs out splitpot, 2nd hand he flips all-in everybody folds. 3th hand he flips and wins(cant remember exactly the hands) , 4th i get A A and he flips (ofcrours.)
What to do?! ofcours i call ! vs his J3 off... getting his J3
shitty but that happened like all of the rest of last week here and there AK and KK i just seem to get them on my table and cant deal with them.
wait them out? lik fold AA or so? i am fine with folding AA or KK if i get a 2/3 bet call post flop and a extreme ugly table like KKK or so but pre folding to such players i could probably quit the game for profits. but unfortunately those players seem to run out on the exact wrong moments :(

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It should be pretty obvious how you exploit a player who open shoves every hand. you widen your calling range. EZ game
 
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nahh im not going to play hands i am not comfortable with and remember its for tournament life not a problem to meet those people when i am big stack getting AT or KQ ofcours i call him, big stack is fine to flip.. now i am lower then them (4 times i finish before the bubble 3 of them(!) against these type of players) seem to attrackt them so how would you deal with that? opening my range i do yes but if i do most of the time its not for the better so i keep my style won quite a few tourneys. i am confident i know to play ;)
just this streak is eating on my toughts how would you handle it?
 
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Then you are playing scared money which is far from optimal. If you are not willing to stack off to a player with a wider than normal stacking range when they are literally open shoving 100% of hands then you are hurting your potential ROI.

Note that I am not advocating calling off with anything that's ahead of his range, just that your stacking range should be somewhat wider than it typically would.
 
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first 2 times i was very happy to call off my AKs and AA 3th time i was less happy.. 2 days man ;)
yes it gets scared money that way, i only freerolled my stack together and satelite into the bigger tourneys
so then yes 3 of these hits makes me a little less happy to get a hand in my range or even a monster against them. :p
 
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YOU DID EXACTLY WHAT YOUR SUPPOSED TO DO

In a situation where a player is opn shoving everything you WAIT FOR A PREMIUM AND SNAPCALL. You will win that 85% of the time so just keep on keepin on and you will be fine.
 
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JamesMoroski said:
In a situation where a player is opn shoving everything you WAIT FOR A PREMIUM AND SNAPCALL. You will win that 85% of the time so just keep on keepin on and you will be fine.
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Waiting for premiums is a mistake. Obviously there are other considerations like position relative to this player since having players behind will affect our calling ranges, but if we are closing the action and only calling with the very top of our range then we are missing out on alot of value.
 
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EXACTLY what i do james ;love playing those types of course u will lose sometimes but win most often .i just pray he doesnt get busted or moved before i hit a hand to call with
 
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I am not the best NLHE player in the world. But I feel that waiting to catch aces is not the optimal way to exploit a strategy consisting of open shoving 100% of hands. perhaps I am wrong, but I dont think so.
 
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I don't understand what you mean about players that don't want to play. Everyone there want to play, but just don't know how yet. Takes a lot of time and patience. I think I know what kind of player you are talking about. One that will almost throw his money at you across the table. I don't even know what to say about those type. This says never run off those types

http://www.poker1.com/archives/33150/mike-caro-poker-word-is-stop

So now read this about those types. I'm not about taking advanatge of no one. But I'm here to win money so I should encorage them.
 
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Raisindepth said:
Hi guys,

i have been a little quiet no bankroll so i freeroll a lot.
now i do get a dollar here and there so i can play some "normal" games and sometimes a big tournament (Pokerstars)

now i have played the big 4.40 at night a few times last week and the week before. The first week i cashed 3 out of 4 (1 very deep 54, one just after the bubble 600+ and one about the middle)
in this week i also finished 3th in a 1.10 night timed tournament.
I have faith in my game 100%
I know how to play and i know what games are for me. i am best to enter 3th level, with stack around 60/90 bb. this gives me fold space and time for me to get into the game. i play 1 game at a time i like to focus and maybe have a chat here and there (social :) ) blind levels 10 mins.
i easily manage the deep turbo formats on P.S. (given my preferences) as soon as i hit the target tournament i however have a lot of trouble with a special kind of people.

players who (most likely) satelited in for not so much and then just flip any given hand and (ofcours) "sometimes" walk away. just only when i have a great hand ;) a little example.
i came in the big 11, level 2 i had to fold a few hands after the flop so i lost a little stack and had about 2.2k left. then this player comes sitting 2 seats before me (I am BB he is B) first hand he gets dealth he flips all-in, gets called by a big stack shows 5Jo vs AK, table runs out splitpot, 2nd hand he flips all-in everybody folds. 3th hand he flips and wins(cant remember exactly the hands) , 4th i get A A and he flips (ofcrours.)
What to do?! ofcours i call ! vs his J3 off... getting his J3
shitty but that happened like all of the rest of last week here and there AK and KK i just seem to get them on my table and cant deal with them.
wait them out? lik fold AA or so? i am fine with folding AA or KK if i get a 2/3 bet call post flop and a extreme ugly table like KKK or so but pre folding to such players i could probably quit the game for profits. but unfortunately those players seem to run out on the exact wrong moments :(

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U need to crush them at times show some premiums build image I table talk to get people like that tilted if possible talk a little smack. You keep playing like this will be forced to crush you etc.. It makes a lot of them think at times and play you WHICH YOU want differenetly

is a player pretty bad on full flush who pushes pushes pushes I get to his table take him down a lot lol and he stops talking smack to others has happened 3 times in a month. People donkey calling him etc.. telling how bad he plays etc.. yet he plays me differently I have won one battle psychologically with him.

Guy asked me last week why does he fear me why did he change his game.

I just said he knows me.

Then the whole table feared me lol.

Build your image to use now and in future:)
 
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Bad beats are part of the game. As long as you made the right decision and got it all in with AA then you have played it properly. This is actually a bad beat thread that is being disguised as a strategy question. I love players that play badly, they make me money and I certainly don't insult them in chat.
 
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I am folding That kind of players because he will take my chips and give them to some other player. Calling him only if I have top pair or AK or something like that
 
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loafes said:
Waiting for premiums is a mistake. Obviously there are other considerations like position relative to this player since having players behind will affect our calling ranges, but if we are closing the action and only calling with the very top of our range then we are missing out on alot of value.
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Someone who is shoving with every hand could have anything. The way you win against those types of players is by calling all-in with any pair and premium hands, possibly even Ax. That is what I would do if the guy was shoving 100% of hands.

If he is just a wild unpredictable player who might shove half the time or less, then against that kind of player you just play the cards you are dealt the way you would normally play. After lots of folding and seeing some flops you will eventually hit something that you will find worthy of an all-in call.

The difference here versus the 100% shove situation is that you will see a flop here perhaps 50% or more of the time. When the flop is inconsequential (i.e. doesn't matter because you won't see it until after you made an all-in decision) then you just have to think in terms of whether or not your two cards are likely better than his/her two cards: someone pushing all in 100% of the time is likely to be weak a great percentage of the time and so Ax, and any pair will probably take him out barring any "changes of fortune" on the flop, turn, or river..
 
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