How do you deal with a bully/donk/fish

BoddJonar

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So guys. Played a 1.10$ 750$ gtd on stars and I busted 30th for 4$ and a few cents. I busted vs a big donk/fish/bully stack who just played anything from every position. He didn't pay attention to what anyone else might be having. Shortly said, it was a miracle he'd run this deep at all. So whenever anyone was checking he'd make a huge raise. Anything between pot and all in. I made the mistake of calling him with aq on a 24J board when he shoved me thinking I was stronger but he had a4 that time. How do you counter this type of player? Especially when you are pretty card dead and your stack will be less then 10 bb in minutes? I need to overcome theese kind of players if I'm gonna bink sometime. I have a hard time folding aq pre wich was my initial tought when he started donking away. But i didnt fold >_< feck it.
I always face atleast one of theese when im running deep and they are always busting me. How do you counter them?

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It sounds to me like you did counter him, and you did it well. No counter attack is going to be totally 100% successful in poker. Thats the game. Donks, bullies, and fish make big wins or knock you out all the time.
You had the better starting hand, that flop would be scary for me personally. But hey, A-Q is a damn good hand and chances are the big bully isn't playing the greatest cards... and in this case he wasnt, but you wanted to stand up to the bully and you did it. You got balls! And if an ace or queen had hit the board or if he happened to be bluffing with rags think of what would have happened to your chip stack and your table image. This oppurtunity will come again, and you ought to do the same thing when it comes. Its all fun n games in the end anyway.
 
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It is very simple to play against such a player , because they pay with any pair or even gut shot .

So you just have to wait to have some solid hand and double up in fish , as it will certainly pay your bets , then just wait to get some hand value .

In case you are short stack , the best way out is to go soon all-in pre -flop , b it will not be good if you get to post- flop without having to take the hand of the villain , and if he bets you are an uncomfortable situation if you do not hit the flop.
 
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With AQ at that point ( having only 10 BBs) you should have pushed it all-in before the flop.
You didn't tell us how the preflop action went - but I believe that you opened with a raise and he called you.
Next time when you are that short and there is big bully/fish on the table - just open shove... that fish is probably never folding Ace before the flop so you will get called by worse hand a lot of times.
 
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typically i open my range, a lot of check call an shove river with semi bluffs
 
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With this type of player you have to use position to your advantage and shove all in over his raise preflop because he most likely would call with a weak ace against your stronger ace/pair, whatever. He obviously didn't care about the money because it was a micro tournament. People play like idiots in those things
 
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Funny thing with these hyper loose players is they will usually be busted some point even before ITM... They don't adjust their play, they keep putting chips into each and every pot and keep getting lucky every time with the most unconceivable hands. What I usually do is to tighten up my range and play aggressively against them. Better to play in position though, and be heads-up with the bully. While they will get lucky sometimes, it is also true that when your big hands stand you will double up without any resistance.
 
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Firstly, you need to look at their actions. If these players begin plying «ALL INN» I think you just need to wait until they get out by someone, callas only with monsters.
Secondly, in my humble opinion, better and more profitable will sit out these fishes. Again, calling only with monsters (risk justified).
Thirdly, be sure to record and remember this Fish. If it gets into the cash games, play against him accordingly.
 
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At a table with that who has a stack to crush you either way and is calling everything - your low stack with AK/AQ pp whatever if you are at risk of losing the chips you have already put in might as well push all in preflop - hes probably still gonna call if its not much risk of losing too many chips but at least if he does fold he won't be able to suck you out with rags
 
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If you know that villain can shove or call with wide range..You must expand your range of hands also, you need shove with 22+ Ax, any broadway, also some suited connectors, most of the time you will be far ahead..
 
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If you know that villain can shove or call with wide range..You must expand your range of hands also, you need shove with 22+ Ax, any broadway, also some suited connectors, most of the time you will be far ahead..

not too sure about the 22 + I'd say shove 10's or better plus your AK AQ. Don't put your tourney life in jeopardy with a bad flip. play your small pairs with caution remember hes likely to call anything after the river so play smart but somewhat aggressive when you hit your set or straight.
 
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Ya dude u cant worry about donk and fish they will always b there but i personally believe that if u stick to ur style no matter who u play against then u will prevail. If i notice a donk like that i jus wait for my hand like u did and blast him with it win or lose u showed him u werent an idiot or a bad player, he just got lucky. and the rest of the table knew it too :) happy gaming bro
 
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Thanks for all the replies guys! Guess I need to play more aggressive before the flop with my good hands! Sometimes I'll bust, but most of the times I'll DU and be well on my way to the FT :)
 
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Two things that pop into my head are, first 3bet their pants off pre and the other would be to hit with top pair and call two barrels then shove the river. Both will slow them down. Patience is key! General strategy can take a time out while waiting to bust the donkey's back if your forty big deep or better. If your under thirty.... deal with it. you have a balloon of chips waiting to spill on the table make sure you have a pin to pop it! Barreling air is not advised, that's how a donkey gets it in good in the first place. Another thing I see is call call fold. That's bad! Too many times we feed the fish. If there is any action make it yours because of a hand.
 
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Just be thankful that having those types of players in the tournaments will be profitable to you long term.
 
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they are tough to play against

I would go in with the ace queen pre-flop there, post flop possibly!! I know it hurts when they get all sorts of cards when I have a bit less!
 
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I've seen these players hit 4 or 5 hands in a row with nothing and early in the game. A lot of the time those same players go card dead and lose it as fast as they won it. Maybe a good thing is not to get into those hands. I've sure stepped away from AQ looking at a 3 bet. And I'm sure not going all in. So my best bet is get out of the hands when you see a player hitting like that. But there are always some that think they can beat that run of luck. Don't be one
 
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