How do you combat the A.I players?

I mean, If the game just started, and players start shipping It preflop, over min raises and 3x raises 70+bbs deep, lmao, how can you fight that?


pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, 0 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

CO (t1,500)
Button (t1,460)
SB (t3,030)
BB (t1,500)
UTG (t1,500)
UTG+1 (t1,590)
MP1 (t1,420)
Hero (MP2) (t1,500)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A , Q
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t60, 3 folds, BB calls t40, UTG raises to t1,500 (All-In), 2 folds, BB calls t1,440 (All-In)

Flop: (t3,090) 7 , 2 , 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t3,090) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3,090) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t3,090

Results below:
I didn't really mind folding, but would It just have been better to gamble early on In games, and just move on to the next one, or be patient?


#2PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 0 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP2 (t1,500)
MP3 (t1,500)
CO (t1,460)
Button (t3,020)
SB (t3,090)
BB (t1,500)
UTG (t1,570)
UTG+1 (t1,420)
Hero (MP1) (t1,440)

Hero's M: 48.00

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q , Q
2 folds, Hero raises to t60, 2 folds, CO raises to t1,460 (All-In), 3 folds, Hero calls t1,380 (All-In)

Flop: (t2,910) 9 , A , 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t2,910) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2,910) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t2,910

Results below:

I'm not posting this in this section as a rant/bad beat story, but more so, to understand, what/how do you proceed vs players, that want that quick double/triple up early on, and are willing to just hit that Jam over any sort of a raise, do you gamble It up with them that deep?

Would you fold the Qs in my spot? With no reads?

I would have called with my queens as well but patience is the key to tourneys, sometimes you have to give up just to be sure to stay alive. Hard to do but sometimes necessary.

I agree with PanamaJoe. I would have called with Queens as well.

This is the problem with some tourneys I expected to look at the result and see the co raise all-in with A3 or something like that? It happens a lot in early stages of tourneys now - you just have to be patient. I know this is hard to do but you do sometimes see a situation where you know that you had the best hand pre-flop but some "idiot" had pushed all-in with 72 and hit trips on the flop. It happens, but, it does make you feel better.

Gl in the future and I suggest patience

looks like you played both hands fine(except the pfr was a bit light with aq)

I wait to see how often they do it and then GII when I am well ahead of their range.

Sometimes they suck out but if not you can triple/quadruple your stack easily (because if they are alive by the time you zeroed in on their range, they have accumulated some chips).

AQ is not good there against any player

just not worth it that deep to go with anything less than QQ

and if you want to know how to combat them, wait till you have a good hand and call, or figure out their range and know your tourney equity and then call when you think your ahead of their range

TeUnit said:

AQ is not good there against any player

just not worth it that deep to go with anything less than QQ

and if you want to know how to combat them, wait till you have a good hand and call, or figure out their range and know your tourney equity and then call when you think your ahead of their range

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I guess raising AQo is a very bad habit of mine, I really love to raise that hand, but calling It off is different (hence the reason for the fold), I mean It was easy choice, but the QQ was different, and as stated, I'm not ranting about It, just seems as If people join them to either get a big stack early on or go busto.

So I'm wondering If that approach/theory is actually worth thinking over, I mean since the game Is a turbo, If blinds were 10+you could hold off, but since It's 5 minutes, I figured, people want to do something quickly or maybe It's the fact that It's turbo's that makes them act the way they do? What do you all think?

freerols both hands is pretty decent play, view conservative people will disagree including me! Early stage double up does not win you the freeroll and QAo look great to ship it, but to be honest if you have some sort of edge over the field is pretty much coin flip which can knock you out of tourney 50% of the time overall (sounds lotto for me, but its free money so ship it be happy)! As mentioned above u r raising is really weak t100 at least should raise otherwise its looks like weakness, because blinds are really small compared given stack size!

Think about if it is not freeroll! What would be optimal to do situation like this! Ofcourse it depends on dynamics etc. Note that Early stage you do not know anything about your opponents!

Both the table depends on the dynamics of how you play against your opponents. Loose table play tight, tight table aggressively. Does not hurt if you have some notes on your opponents.

first 15 minutes or so in a freeroll I play very very very tight until you know who these guys are. I'm raising and then folding that AQo... sometimes. Truthfully it depends how I'm feeling that round, some days I'm shipping it vs them. I'm calling the Pocket queens all day.

Take a little time to figure who these guys are and then adjust accordingly. From what i tend to see there are the people who do it with atc and the people who do it with Ax and any pocket pairs, even very low ones.

So either get get a monster early or somebody else takes them out.

my approach has been to play super tight during the early rounds because you know this type of behavior is happening. And when you wake up with premium hands, you just have to get it in and hope they hold up.

Let opponents fight for chips. Stay patient, chipleader who won the race against the other opponents can only try to be aggressive and but theyll only get folds but take down blinds if no one plays back. And when you do have a strong hand, and they will call with a wide range .

steer clear and let them do the work for you, or work with other players left to chop em down.

if your talking fr then you come to except it fold wait for a good hand about all you can do .

Hand 1 i will raise 3x but will not call All in as AQ off is not a strong enough hand to go all in a three way pot so you played it fine.
Even in QQ vs AK in hand to you played it fine its just bad luck.
If you play strong hands in position in long term you will find you are winning more percentage of hands.

So we never fold queens there? If we think about it, what hands could this guy have? AA, KK, or AK right? Maybe jacks or tens but I doubt it. It's a horrible play by that guy with AK and we don't have a whole lot invested. What range of hands actually 3bet shove for 73 bb's? I think we could have folded queens that deep. The AQ hand isn't even a question, but I disagree about a snap call of 70 bb's with queens. Do you guys never ever fold queens? What was the buy in of this game? MTT? STT?

atlantafalcons0 said:

So we never fold queens there? If we think about it, what hands could this guy have? AA, KK, or AK right? Maybe jacks or tens but I doubt it. It's a horrible play by that guy with AK and we don't have a whole lot invested. What range of hands actually 3bet shove for 73 bb's? I think we could have folded queens that deep. The AQ hand isn't even a question, but I disagree about a snap call of 70 bb's with queens. Do you guys never ever fold queens? What was the buy in of this game? MTT? STT?

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It was an MTT full table and It just started. Also about the folding, I never really fold in these situations myself (that's the truth), I mean If I'm folding QQ here, than that's the same as folding KK and only calling AA in that situation and nothing less

naruto_miu said:

It was an MTT full table and It just started. Also about the folding, I never really fold in these situations myself (that's the truth), I mean If I'm folding QQ here, than that's the same as folding KK and only calling AA in that situation and nothing less

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But KK isn't a flip vs AK, which is in his range. I'd still call here with KK because the only hand that is crushing us is AA. If he has aces it's a cooler. This hand isn't a cooler, it's a coin flip. Would you do this with JJ? How about tens or nines even? Why?

Freeroll? Buy in? wsop main event? lol

Usually, its best to just ignore the first part of the game while everyone is being ridiculous. Play good hands and just be tight or try and knock them out...they usually have crap. Its your call.

One strategy is to late-reg in freerolls or microstakes tournaments. Five minutes after the start should suffice to see a majority of the freeroll donks whose control panel only has the "all in" button eliminated, and then you can play actual poker.

Also, if you play a lot at low levels, make player notes. It's amazing how much easier it makes life to know that the guy who's just shoved into your pocket Jacks is a regular freeroll donk who habitually shoves on any ace-rag.