How do these winning player regs adjust when playing a bazillion tables?

Just a quick question really, and this is taken from a post I saw spacegravy make when he was doing his prop bet about how people was beginning to call him lighter or spite call him for example and said he would just "adjust"

The thing is, like spacegravy there are players who will play 15 - 30 + tables at times and are winning players.

I see quotes from these players including the spacegravy quote about how they will widen their range or add ranges to their hands against particular players and so on.

When I've played like 10 tables + I've really started to struggle in actually realising what a range of hands someone might be calling of or shoving with, you kind of lose that ability maybe even as low as 6 tables because you just can't watch the action and watch everyones play because of the constant needed action to take your turn. (espically in turbos) You have split second decisions to make and it's even quite tough at times looking at your stack, who raised, the hud and so on to see if it's a profitable call or not.

What really baffles me, to me this seems quite difficult to do at 10 tables plus let alone being able to actually think what someone's range will be, in fact it's kind of impossible to know someone's range unless it's reg filled but this isn't the case all the time purely based on the fact you cant watch action on other tables, it's just is impossible to know their ranges and so forth so my question really is, how the hell can someone widen or tighten up their range against other players who they think might start shoving a lot wider etc..

Is this purely based on HUD stats or what?

Thank in advance.

I have a friend who 10-12 tables tournaments and does not use a hud at all - I have no clue how he does it. I know he limits other activities and takes a lot of notes - but he still chats to me a bit while playing. I would love to watch him live to see what he does. I would go mad and make bad plays everywhere. I sometimes have up to 6 tables going but try to keep it to 4 as often as possible. I have to have a hud going.

ramdeebam said:

Is this purely based on HUD stats or what?

Thank in advance.

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My guess is yes mostly. Prolly a note here or there and HUD stats. The key is getting used to making decisions based on HUD facts and quick notes so it is almost like a reflex. The only way to do that is to play many hours and add tables 1 or 2 at a time until you are ready for more.

My guess is some people just have more of a natural ability to multi-task and therefore have an easier time multi-tabling. I am not one of them, but still have a goal of 16 tables in the near future.

I haven't done it(yet!), but I can play many more tables at the micros(than my normal 4) because I can afford to make more mistakes there than low/mid stakes.

It really depends on the person, thier comfort, and dont forget equipment. In order to do this I think it would be important to have at least 2+ Large screen monitors and most people would need a HUD.

With practice and correct equipment I think it would be easy for most people to monitor 6 games on two monitors and from there build up ability to view and process info.

DetroitJimmy said:

My guess is yes mostly. Prolly a note here or there and HUD stats. The key is getting used to making decisions based on HUD facts and quick notes so it is almost like a reflex. The only way to do that is to play many hours and add tables 1 or 2 at a time until you are ready for more.

My guess is some people just have more of a natural ability to multi-task and therefore have an easier time multi-tabling. I am not one of them, but still have a goal of 16 tables in the near future.

I haven't done it(yet!), but I can play many more tables at the micros(than my normal 4) because I can afford to make more mistakes there than low/mid stakes.

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Cascade or tile?

I tile. It's one of the reasons I'm stuck at 4 tables right now. I have a 17" ctr monitor and an HP 750n almost stock(google it,may make you giggle). So even if I were to add another 2 tables my HEM would freeze up.

As soon as I finally get my money from recent cashout attempts, I will go with a bigger(24" at least) monitor or maybe a cheap 32" TV. If I have to, I may add another monitor when I decide to go over 9 tables. By then my profits will be good enough to afford it or else I don't need it.

Gunner57 said:

It really depends on the person, thier comfort, and dont forget equipment. In order to do this I think it would be important to have at least 2+ Large screen monitors and most people would need a HUD.

With practice and correct equipment I think it would be easy for most people to monitor 6 games on two monitors and from there build up ability to view and process info.

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yeah monitoring 6 games is doable. I'm on about when people are racking out 20-30 tables at once, I coulden't see how someone could monitor all tables even if tiled on huge monitors. Just impossible, with 20 tables you would need action on one table every 1 or 2seconds, at all times so to actually watch what is happening on many tables just doesn't seem possible!"

ramdeebam said:

yeah monitoring 6 games is doable. I'm on about when people are racking out 20-30 tables at once, I coulden't see how someone could monitor all tables even if tiled on huge monitors. Just impossible, with 20 tables you would need action on one table every 1 or 2seconds, at all times so to actually watch what is happening on many tables just doesn't seem possible!"

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Two words, 'Table Ninja.' If ya don't know what it is, do a search on it. Very helpful to many people(once you get used to it), although I won't purchase until I get new computer. It features hot key shortcuts and pre-set bet amounts. Much more too. Check it out, if you haven't already.

mainly experiance. Most of those guys are grinding tons of games for rakeback and etc. The best guys can play that many tables and still adjust quite well.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, but for the most part, the 'adjusting' is done outside of the tables. Getting reads on players away from the table, finding default ranges for situations, and then adjusting those ranges slightly in game.

I repeat, most of the work should be done away from the tables, review, study, going over hands etc, gaining experiance, and after a few thousand games it becomes second nature.

DetroitJimmy said:

Two words, 'Table Ninja.' If ya don't know what it is, do a search on it. Very helpful to many people(once you get used to it), although I won't purchase until I get new computer. It features hot key shortcuts and pre-set bet amounts. Much more too. Check it out, if you haven't already.

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Yeah I know about Table Ninja but it still doesn't help with being able to monitor the goings on in terms of action and other players play and what range of hands they are calling/raising with. That's what I meant. I can multiple table upto around 20 but that's is a struggle and even with HUD/table ninja in operation I think it's near impossible to monitor peoples hand ranges.

Once your decisions are automatic, you will be able to play more tables. If not then don't worry and only add more when you don't feel challenged. Truth is some peoples brains are just more advanced at multi-tasking than others. I may never be able to play more than nine, and that's fine with me.

I don't feel comfortable with more than 6 tables running at any time. There was a time when I couldn't believe it was possible for me to play more than one. Then one got boring. Whenever amount of tables is just downright boring to you is a good time to move up. As my skills develop and my decisions are on auto-pilot then I will add more.

jbbb said:

Cascade or tile?

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I found that staking tables work well for multitabling high numbers of tables... At this point you can't watch multiply tables anyhow...