How do I WIN Turbo SnG?!

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I've been playing poker for 6 months on and off (last 3 months have been serious). I understand that I am still new to this but it's driving me crazy how I am not making profit by now?! I've read HEAPS of SnG strategy articles, now I'm reading Daniel Negreanu's "power hold em". I haven't lost a lot of money, probably about $100 but it leaks so slowly. Yesterday I played 50/50 with only $5 in my bankroll now. I went down to $2 then won back to $7. Now I'm down to $4. Like WTF?! Can someone PLEASE give me an article on SnG. I'm learning the small ball philosophy for MTT but I don't have time to be entering them all the time. I just want to WIN Turbo SnG. I'm sick of reading the same strategies because every man and his dog does the same thing now and they are all hyper aggressive. I tried playing cash but got bored of sitting for an hour to earn 50c in 2nl.
 
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you play the lower stacks everybody usely play loose there try to raise your stake depens on your bankroll though..
anyway SnG on low entre cost usely brings fishes who all in with 42 72 and such
 
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you play the lower stacks everybody usely play loose there try to raise your stake depens on your bankroll though..
anyway SnG on low entre cost usely brings fishes who all in with 42 72 and such

Ok I'll give that a try, only have a few dollars left but might put in a bit more
 
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I been playing for 14 years, and for 11 of those I was right where you are. It's real simple, you have to learn the game, and figuring out your style, getting rid of the problems, and build on your best play. I have never read a book, but I do watch PokerTube on facebook. So every thing I have learned about poker has come from right here. And I'm not bragging much, but I'm an above average player at my level which is 10nl. And I come all the way from 2nl. You have to take a lot of baby steps before you dive off in the shark tank. What you may not believe, but there are players at every level looking for new players. Matter of fact, I know 3 players who make good money at 10nl. Anyway, GL to you, and sorry this is so long.
 
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I been playing for 14 years, and for 11 of those I was right where you are. It's real simple, you have to learn the game, and figuring out your style, getting rid of the problems, and build on your best play. I have never read a book, but I do watch PokerTube on facebook. So every thing I have learned about poker has come from right here. And I'm not bragging much, but I'm an above average player at my level which is 10nl. And I come all the way from 2nl. You have to take a lot of baby steps before you dive off in the shark tank. What you may not believe, but there are players at every level looking for new players. Matter of fact, I know 3 players who make good money at 10nl. Anyway, GL to you, and sorry this is so long.

Wow, 11 years? That's ages.
 
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James. Frustrating isn't it! Reading about strategy is plain and simply just reading about strategy. Putting it into practice is the key to being successful, and this takes time, skill and an element of luck. At whatever level you are playing at, here are some suggestions that you may find helpful.

Don't chase losses and focus on playing good poker. You'll know when you are chasing losses and this is time to get out and refocus your mind. I had a bad day on Saturday when nothing was going my way. Twice in 2 sessions my KK ran into 66 and both times I lost to a straight. In a couple of other games, I lost to a reraise of 23o, which hit 332 on the flop. There is nothing you can do about that but focus. I walked away to stop myself chasing. I set myself a goal on 10/10 ( a block building App like Tetris) before I returned to poker. I have now played 2 days with success and a refocused mind.

Learn from every hand. Even the lost celebrated and experienced players still learn from every hand. Assess what you and your competition are doing and consider how differently or better you could do next time.

It's not all about the cards you are dealt. Some say your hole cards are irrelevant. It's how you play the situation you find yourself in that's important.

Look after your bankroll. Enough said!

Keep your chin up. Learn from the forum and opportunities here at CardsChat and it will turn around.

Best wishes

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Thanks man, I think I just need to focus on the players more so then my cards in my hand. I'm about to do a starcoin tournament on pokerstars. Lets see how I go haha
 
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SNGs have gotten tougher. Play tight early, loosen up later, use position and never let yourself get below 7 BBs.

Get a copy of Jennifear's MTT push/fold chart and Collin Moshman's SNG book.
 
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Negreanu's book and a whole bunch of others aren't gonna teach you a lot. Those books from these ''famous'' pros like him, Gus Hansen, Elky or I dont know who else are just their way to make an extra profit by selling their ''name'' and brand. And they are filled with some general game strategy tips that won't help you a lot with todays games.

Poker evolves so fast, even Moshmans old book won't help you a lot with todays games (altough Moshman is one of the first SNG pros).

Focus on recent coaching videos made by some online SNG pros (most of them you have to buy), get a HUD, learn how to read HUD stats and numbers and how to implement them in your play by finding other players leaks. Learn what is ICM and optimize your bubble play.
Find push/fold charts and learn them by heart.

If you want to make some profit out of poker you must be willing to invest your time.
3 months of ''seriuos play'' what you state is what? Playing 15-20 SNGs a day, at its best? Without learning any of those things i stated above?

When you feel you are ready to play, be prepared to play at least 4 hours every day (I really mean at least), multitabling at least 4 SNGs. If 4 is too much for you start with 2 or 3 and when you get used to it add more tables.

And then just play and play for days,weeks,months...

Thats the only way if you want to make some money.

If you aren't willing to make that sacrifice, well then - you can continue play the old way, but don't be angry for not making any profit.

Poker is no easy money.
Thats the first thing everyone learn.

GL man :)
 
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just in poker you need to think a head , but sometimes there are surprises.
 
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In turbo SnG blindes go up very fast, I use push/fold strategy.
Play very tight (w8 good cards (any pocket cards high 77, AK,AQ,Aj) and go all-in)
In many pots u will have only one opponent.
this is a rough version of the game.
However, if you understand the strategy, the victory is provided to you.

I must warn you that you should know with whom you play, to play in this style!
I can definitely say that this is not a beautiful style :)
 
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shove all in way more often than you have been. and stop learning small ball in games where it's about preflop shove/fold play more than deep stacked small ball strategy
 
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shove all in way more often than you have been. and stop learning small ball in games where it's about preflop shove/fold play more than deep stacked small ball strategy

Thanks WiZZiM, I'm pushing more often, raising big and I have been fat-betting my pairs (but if I'm re-raised or called then i take it cautiously). Top pair and over i raise to pot size. It seems to be working. I have got 2nd in $3.50 6max SnG, 2nd in $1.50 and first in $1.50. not much but its an improvement.
I'm starting to find that people play really trash hands and try to bluff alot.
Is this how you have to play?
 
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Thanks WiZZiM, I'm pushing more often, raising big and I have been fat-betting my pairs (but if I'm re-raised or called then i take it cautiously). Top pair and over i raise to pot size. It seems to be working. I have got 2nd in $3.50 6max SnG, 2nd in $1.50 and first in $1.50. not much but its an improvement.
I'm starting to find that people play really trash hands and try to bluff alot.
Is this how you have to play?

it depends. but overall most people are better off by playing more aggressively. Even if it nets them a loss in the shorterm they will learn what they are able to get away with and eventually find a balanced strategy.

Quick tip #1

shove ATC when you are 8bb or less in the SB
Work on and be very aware of bubble situations and 5-6 handed play, this is by far the most important area you will need to work on, and you will need to be very solid and not making too many errors even playing low limits these days.
 
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With lot of luck...on turbo tournaments skill doesn't make so much diference...like my friend said timing is everything!! He doesn't like to call it luck :p
 
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icm is a big deal in sngs, you may want to pick up some software like sng wiz or icmizer
 
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I've been playing poker for 6 months on and off (last 3 months have been serious). I understand that I am still new to this but it's driving me crazy how I am not making profit by now?! I've read HEAPS of SnG strategy articles, now I'm reading Daniel Negreanu's "power hold em". I haven't lost a lot of money, probably about $100 but it leaks so slowly. Yesterday I played 50/50 with only $5 in my bankroll now. I went down to $2 then won back to $7. Now I'm down to $4. Like WTF?! Can someone PLEASE give me an article on SnG. I'm learning the small ball philosophy for MTT but I don't have time to be entering them all the time. I just want to WIN Turbo SnG. I'm sick of reading the same strategies because every man and his dog does the same thing now and they are all hyper aggressive. I tried playing cash but got bored of sitting for an hour to earn 50c in 2nl.


Most of the players here that give good advice have played for more then 5 years . You only playing 6 months and mad because of not being profitable.
It tells me a couple things , you have not understood some of the things you read , you havent experienced enough in game play to make good judgements on your game and the players around you at the table .

Study more , get a good understanding of things and get that experience you will need to make better judgements . Poker is not a get rich quick career.
theres alot of study and work that goes into it .

Good skill at the tables
 
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In turbo SnG blindes go up very fast, I use push/fold strategy.
Play very tight (w8 good cards (any pocket cards high 77, AK,AQ,Aj) and go all-in)
In many pots u will have only one opponent.
this is a rough version of the game.
 
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In turbo SnG blindes go up very fast, I use push/fold strategy.
Play very tight (w8 good cards (any pocket cards high 77, AK,AQ,Aj) and go all-in)
In many pots u will have only one opponent.
this is a rough version of the game.

I dont undrstnd, why u copy paste my text?! :confused:

LOL :D
 
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Turbo sng 6max

multi table(4+), play TAG first 3 levels, and study push/fold strategy.
 
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I am new in the point that I just started taking things serious in the last 2 months. However I have found success as of recently.

One of the things I found out is to play my game first and then SLOWLY add new things to your game and until you find if they work for your style of play or not, do not make multiple changes simultaneously. Too many changes too quickly will just foul up your game. Been there done that.

For me every time I added a new feature to my game, I would wreck it for at least a dozen or so games until I figured out how to make it fit. Reading something and actually making it work are two different things. You see it in your mind's eye but then in reality it works differently than you thought. Sometimes it is more or less aggressive than you thought or you use it more or less frequently than you thought. It might not even work with your style of play.

I know that "Small Ball" when I first brought it into my game totally wrecked my game. I tried to use it but was doing it to bully people, but that was the wrong way to use it and I bled money like a stuck pig. I just did not quite get the concept of how it was used. Once I found balance in its' use I found that I had a lot more control of my stack and it even allowed me to widen my range. The thing was is that I was learning how to be aggressive and at the very same time I see Daniel's video on Small Ball and really got the concepts all fouled up together. I had to work things out. If I had done one thing at a time, I would have gotten through the learning curve faster and a little cheaper.
 
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Somebody up above mentioned it earlier too, but learning table condition are really important and being able to adjust to those conditions is probably one of the most important things that has taken me to the next guppy level.

Annie Dukes has a great video on Youtube that really helped me discover this fact.
 
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In Turbo SnG i am playing from the opposite. If i have 55 and higher paired cards in preflop - call, if anybody go all-in, i'm go too.
 
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someone could point me to some articles or study material to be able to play one regular SnG turbo?
 
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In turbo SnG blindes go up very fast, I use push/fold strategy.
Play very tight (w8 good cards (any pocket cards high 77, AK,AQ,Aj) and go all-in)
In many pots u will have only one opponent.
this is a rough version of the game.
However, if you understand the strategy, the victory is provided to you.

I must warn you that you should know with whom you play, to play in this style!
I can definitely say that this is not a beautiful style :)

good advice:D
 
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