How Do I Beat This F*&^ing Woman?

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The woman that I am referring to is one that I know well and play all the time – she is not really very good but is aggressive and thinks she knows something about men – which somehow always allows her to make hero calls!

She calls me a “wife-beater” because I just can’t lose to a woman and that’s why I’m always raising her – you know, because she’s a girl!

Just for further reference take a look at the following thread as it concerns her as well:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/great-call-i-guess-215304/

Since the hand described in the above thread took place she has busted me 2 additional times and once more today for a total of 4 – each time with marginal or downright questionable hands!

This is a live $310 deep stack tourney with 30 minute levels and $40K starting stacks. Blinds are $600 $1200 with a $100 chip ante. My stack is about $60K and her stack is about $90K after spiking two river sets in the preceding 10-20 hands. It felt like I was playing on Facebook; she continuously got herself into ridiculous spots only to suck out – but one thing was for certain and that was that she was on fire and simply could not lose.

From UTG I’m dealt :ah4: :ad4: and raise to $3100. She is UTG +1 and 3-bets to $7500 (normally music to my ears), everyone else folds.

Now I have some history with the woman – obviously, and we are the two stacks at the table, the next nearest stack is maybe $45K. I’m not nuts about this spot and considered flatting and re-evaluating the flop because I know she’s not going to fold, but, I also know I’ve got the best of it. So, I make a large 4-bet to somewhere around $50K (I don’t know exactly because I just grabbed 90% of my stack and put it in). She flat calls after the dealer counts it out and I move all-in for my remaining $10K before the flop is dealt.

Flop :ks4: :5h4: :jc4:

She calls and flips over :jh4: :js4: and I lose! Boy that was fun!

How in the holly f*&^ do I beat this f*&^ing woman?
 
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The only thing I can think of is maybe getting it all-in pre-flop would have given her pause, but judging from the thread you linked above (K7os! :p), I doubt that would have made a difference. I suppose the main thing is to just keep doing what you do, and not let her get under your skin, as it appears that may be what's happening.
 
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I think she would of called even if you had pushed all in pre flop.Now... on how to beat her, is maybe buy her a couple of long island ice tea & keepem coming.lol
 
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for every one of these instances, there will be many others in which she misses your aces hold.
 
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People don't always run good. She will hit an inevitable downswing eventually, just like the rest of us.

Just keep making good decisions. That's all you really can do.

FWIW, I would have 4-bet jammed PF for sure. She probably calls anyways, but that's the line I would take.
 
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Just keep doing what you did in this hand. You played fine.
 
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It seems to me you played the hand well , just got the aces cracked , happens.

The best advice I can think of is to try to get the personal/gender/ego factor out of your decision making as it will cloud you thinking and tilt your play.
 
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The only thing I can think of is maybe getting it all-in pre-flop would have given her pause, but judging from the thread you linked above (K7os! ), I doubt that would have made a difference. I suppose the main thing is to just keep doing what you do, and not let her get under your skin, as it appears that may be what's happening.

Ohh – she’s definitely under my skin at this point! I didn’t say anything nasty to her, I just got up and left (it was all I could do though), but the whole drive home I was gripping the damn steering wheel and swearing out loud! She plays like she is drunk and has been known to drink at the table, but she wasn’t this day (that I noticed anyway), and she played exactly the same way. I play her every weekend and watch her get busted by the 6th level the majority of the time – except for these times when she runs so good and I always seem to get in the way!

She’s an Ex-Broncos cheerleader, so she’s not unattractive, but that just adds fuel to the fire! This has got to be the single most frustrating situation I have ever dealt with in poker – hell, in life!

I could have jammed pre but…

My thinking there was (and I took a minute or so to act when the action came to me) “If I push she’s going to put me on AK and call”. She loves to call AK and calls it the “man’s hand” since men think “it’s bigger than it is”; you know “it’s a good drawing hand but that’s all” – (that’s what I have to deal with every week). Since I don’t have AK normally that would be good, except with her. I know exactly what her range is here; she’s not capable of three betting early with air, so in hindsight and I think I should have flatted and check/folded. With the :ks4: and the :jc4: on the board the only hand she could have that doesn’t beat me now is queens, maybe tens.

I still had a nice stack; I could’ve lost $7500 and moved on! But I chose to basically shove pre, even though I technically didn’t shove pre – I did, because I wasn’t folding after putting 85% of my chips in the pot!

After she put 55% of her chips in the middle, in a situation that a Martian would have known he was way behind, and sucked out she looks at me and says “sorry I didn’t think you were that strong”. Which just pissed me off more…God; I don’t understand how more people don’t get killed at the poker table; especially players like this!
 
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Ohh – she’s definitely under my skin at this point! I didn’t say anything nasty to her, I just got up and left (it was all I could do though), but the whole drive home I was gripping the damn steering wheel and swearing out loud! She plays like she is drunk and has been known to drink at the table, but she wasn’t this day (that I noticed anyway), and she played exactly the same way. I play her every weekend and watch her get busted by the 6th level the majority of the time – except for these times when she runs so good and I always seem to get in the way!

She’s an Ex-Broncos cheerleader, so she’s not unattractive, but that just adds fuel to the fire! This has got to be the single most frustrating situation I have ever dealt with in poker – hell, in life!

I could have jammed pre but…

My thinking there was (and I took a minute or so to act when the action came to me) “If I push she’s going to put me on AK and call”. She loves to call AK and calls it the “man’s hand” since men think “it’s bigger than it is”; you know “it’s a good drawing hand but that’s all” – (that’s what I have to deal with every week). Since I don’t have AK normally that would be good, except with her. I know exactly what her range is here; she’s not capable of three betting early with air, so in hindsight and I think I should have flatted and check/folded. With the :ks4: and the :jc4: on the board the only hand she could have that doesn’t beat me now is queens, maybe tens.

I still had a nice stack; I could’ve lost $7500 and moved on! But I chose to basically shove pre, even though I technically didn’t shove pre – I did, because I wasn’t folding after putting 85% of my chips in the pot!

After she put 55% of her chips in the middle, in a situation that a Martian would have known he was way behind, and sucked out she looks at me and says “sorry I didn’t think you were that strong”. Which just pissed me off more…God; I don’t understand how more people don’t get killed at the poker table; especially players like this!


It sounds to me like your emotions are getting wrapped up in your poker game. I know this is a bad beat, and i might be steamed too. However, some people run good at times. What goes around comes around.

Just relax and play the best game you can. Poker is pretty stressful at times. Brush it off and move on. This woman sounds like a pretty bad player. You will get your chance another time to felt her.
 
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I think if you are patient enough and raise/reraise her with good hand, you will beat her up, she was lucky on that hand which doesn't mean she will be all the time, so you can have her chips/money next time, if you keep your emotions under control
 
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The woman that I am referring to is one that I know well and play all the time – she is not really very good but is aggressive and thinks she knows something about men – which somehow always allows her to make hero calls!

She calls me a “wife-beater” because I just can’t lose to a woman and that’s why I’m always raising her – you know, because she’s a girl!

Just for further reference take a look at the following thread as it concerns her as well:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/great-call-i-guess-215304/

Since the hand described in the above thread took place she has busted me 2 additional times and once more today for a total of 4 – each time with marginal or downright questionable hands!

This is a live $310 deep stack tourney with 30 minute levels and $40K starting stacks. Blinds are $600 $1200 with a $100 chip ante. My stack is about $60K and her stack is about $90K after spiking two river sets in the preceding 10-20 hands. It felt like I was playing on Facebook; she continuously got herself into ridiculous spots only to suck out – but one thing was for certain and that was that she was on fire and simply could not lose.

From UTG I’m dealt :ah4: :ad4: and raise to $3100. She is UTG +1 and 3-bets to $7500 (normally music to my ears), everyone else folds.

Now I have some history with the woman – obviously, and we are the two stacks at the table, the next nearest stack is maybe $45K. I’m not nuts about this spot and considered flatting and re-evaluating the flop because I know she’s not going to fold,

Shove pre. 4-betting and leaving 10k behind is bad imo.

Aside from that, run better.
 
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Shove pre. 4-betting and leaving 10k behind is bad imo.

Aside from that, run better.

I don’t know about bad, I think it’s completely inert. It didn’t hurt and may have even helped a bit. We all know that you have to adapt to every unique situation in a poker game. You have to remember that from her point of view I’m a “wife-beater” and I nearly guarantee that she would regard a pre-flop shove as weakness and call.

In this case it obviously didn’t matter, but that’s all in hindsight. And yes I wanted her to call, but in a way I didn’t too – this has happened before with this exactly same player in the same casino and she always seems to come out on top – to be complete honest, I wanted her to fold and that was the purpose of the huge 4-bet, showing strength but not weakness was the idea – but WTF, it obviously didn’t matter anyway.
 
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If she is going to regard a pre-flop shove as weakness and call then SHOVE LDO. You want her to call, you have the best hand. Wanting her to fold is so dumb.
 
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If she is going to regard a pre-flop shove as weakness and call then SHOVE LDO. You want her to call, you have the best hand. Wanting her to fold is so dumb.

Yeah she is just a terrible player on a heater. You gotta get it in with the best hand. If we go broke, we go broke.
 
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If she is going to regard a pre-flop shove as weakness and call then SHOVE LDO. You want her to call, you have the best hand. Wanting her to fold is so dumb.

Yeah she is just a terrible player on a heater. You gotta get it in with the best hand. If we go broke, we go broke.

And that’s exactly what I did! I just had some reservations about it because she’s was on a heater! If I go broke I go broke; but after it happens 3 or 4 times over the most recent 3 months with the same f(*&ing player – you begin to wonder why you want her to call – she’s going to win and you know it!

I don’t know how to beat her, obviously, it doesn’t matter what hand I’m dealt or how I play it – she’s going to get the best of it!
 
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Patience. Her luck will run dry eventually.
 
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I don’t know about bad, I think it’s completely inert.

You're shoving the flop 100% of the time right? So if the flop comes Kxx and she has QQ, she is now put in a position where she can fold sometimes, or if she's made some weird play with AKs and the flop comes 73T or something; which she might do because she is bad, and you miss out on an extra 8 bigs for no reason. That's why I don't like 4-bet/calling preflop. I prefer just getting the money in since we're miles ahead, villain is calling 100% of the time and we're getting it in on the flop anyway.

Also, a thought, shouldn't this be in BBV?
 
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You're shoving the flop 100% of the time right? So if the flop comes Kxx and she has QQ, she is now put in a position where she can fold sometimes, or if she's made some weird play with AKs and the flop comes 73T or something; which she might do because she is bad, and you miss out on an extra 8 bigs for no reason. That's why I don't like 4-bet/calling preflop. I prefer just getting the money in since we're miles ahead, villain is calling 100% of the time and we're getting it in on the flop anyway.

Also, a thought, shouldn't this be in BBV?

No, I’m not disagreeing with you I’m just saying that if I 4-bet to 50K of my 60K stack I’m not folding and if she calls 50K, she would also call 60K so it doesn’t really matter here.

Now if I 4-bet to 11K or 12K or flat called pre here, then that would be wrong for all the reasons you mentioned.

What is BBV?
 
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sounds rough. sometimes i think you just have to give up. I normally love playing overly aggressive people in heads up matches because then i can play like im an easy pushover for the longest time and lose small pots and then once i get a big hand find a way to play it like im considering letting it go again and hoping the flop has some draw and act like im trying to hit it....usually works. sometimes i just get outdrawn or lose anyway....
 
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Aces are no magic elixir - especially when someone is on fire. I'm sure anyone would have put out their stack to back a pre-flop pocket A's but after that, luck decides. It seems a lot of players don't want to acknowledge that luck is still a big part of the game, as shown in this case.
 
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I think she would of called even if you had pushed all in pre flop.Now... on how to beat her, is maybe buy her a couple of long island ice tea & keepem coming.lol

Haha or some cosmos..

What was the other card in your hand?? Ax??

Keep putting your chips and cards in the right spots and you will do fine.

Oh and don't worry about this lady, from reading both threads it sounds like she says intentionally feminist things to get under players skin..

I personally don't mind losing to a woman in poker whatsoever, to say woman are bad and that you never fold to them is straight rediculous. Welcome to the 21st century.
 
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She’s an Ex-Broncos cheerleader, so she’s not unattractive, but that just adds fuel to the fire! This has got to be the single most frustrating situation I have ever dealt with in poker – hell, in life!

So, you're playing emotionally. Her looks have nothing to do with anything. Stop playing emotionally. If you can't, then don't play against her. If you can't, then maybe question why that is . . .
 
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I havent read it all, but enough I think.

I do sympathize with you, as I have also run into players who think unbridled aggression with ATC is a poker strategy. In a way, it is, but in the hands of this type of player, its just annoying.

But it is also bad on her part.

You really need to get a hold of your emotions. Any hand you play with her is a new hand. Use her attitude about you against her. Dont make the mistake of letting her psyche you out in anyway, like "She will bust me again, I just know it" You have seen her range at SD, so use it in your decisions. Get it in good, and dont worry about results. It is hard, but you will be your own worst enemy and her best friend if you play her differently than you would if you were in an emotionless state.
 
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