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It was 500 1000 blinds There was about 60 people left I had 24000 and was the big blind for 1000 under the gun folded the next guy raised to 8000 then another person raised all in for 11000 and the original raiser had 12000 and was going to call. I looked and had 10 J clubs. I put them both on a ace. Is this the right play for half my stack or a triple up
 
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This is for half of your already short stack, you are never ahead and will often be crushed, so no, I don't think this is the right play. Fold and wait for a better spot - it takes a better hand to call an all-in than it does to go all-in yourself and an even stronger hand to call two all-ins.

If this were a bounty tournament or you had a much bigger stack and had a good read on these players I could see hoping to get lucky, but generally this is an easy fold.

20+BBs is plenty of chips - keep waiting for good spots, re-shove against a loose opener, or just raise your normal value range when it folds to you.

Good luck to you! :D
 
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NO IS NOT!

heheh no bro If you put them on aces that does'nt exactly mean they have Aces they could also have kings o KK vs AA or AK, AQ, Etc... remember you can't just choose one hand you put them on a range... so you always will go behind on this sitution preflop with TJs you will loose more times that the times you will win like the precious comment only if you have a bigger stack at least 50bb+ you could risk or in a bounty but still with a big stack... that's what I would do as long i'm not on tilt :D :D xD

Good Luck!
 
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very bad call especially so late in the tournament. Your chip stack was great but when people call 10 times the blind, they generally have something. 10 j gets beaten by Queens and Kings and Aces. A good play would have been if they had just called 3 000 chips, you could then call and see the flop. Remember you can't afford to make a mistake so late in the tournament. At least you have learnt now and can do better next time. Several times i myself have made bad calls 4 people away from being in the money. That's 3 hours wasted. Learn from your mistake and improve for next time.
 
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You did bad for calling, being in tour position cuz deppending on your stack, your hand and the other's bet you will act.

I would fold becaus if someone had a pair he/she hada high chances to win, obviosly all depends of flop, turn & river. But i recommendo you somethin in that position and hand

"If you see they are killing each other between them, let them kill theirselves".

"Don't get into the other's problems"

Why?... because if you go all-in and a third, even a fourth person pay you bet probably you will loose the pot and your stack.
 
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The rest of the story

The int raiser had Ak off the second all in had A10 off so I guessed right on there hands but the flop came kckd8s turn was Qc and I missed the flush on the river. Was the risk worth the reward. I ended up making the final table and going out 5th over all
 
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You got lucky that you didn't bust out earlier by gambling half your stack and leaving yourself with 10 bb. The comments earlier are on the nose. You had enough chips to fold to 2 all-ins. shoving with drawing hands is one thing. Calling with a speculative hand like J 10 is not good poker.
 
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It was 500 1000 blinds There was about 60 people left I had 24000 and was the big blind for 1000 under the gun folded the next guy raised to 8000 then another person raised all in for 11000 and the original raiser had 12000 and was going to call. I looked and had 10 J clubs. I put them both on a ace. Is this the right play for half my stack or a triple up

None of the above comments have responded to HOW bad your play was.
I ran some % assuming they had a decent hand (pocket pair, Axs, Kxs, ...), and generally your equity was around 29-33% preflop.

So is it really really bad math wise? No.
However, the question you want to ask yourself is: Is it worth it to gamble half my stack preflop knowing I have 3/10 chances to win the hand?

you could try it if you're short stack in my opinion. In this case you had 24BB, and that's not short stack. So i think 30% is too low. Especially because you were not in position.

I think you can wait for a better spot in this case.
 
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Yeah I'm not shoving or calling an all-in here. If you're short stacked then it would be fine but I'm folding and waiting.
 
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Blinds go up very fast and would 5000 10000 with in 45 min so really I only had about 12 bb left
 
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