Having trouble playing against calling stations

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I face problems playing against calling stations in Tournaments and SnG's. This is much more relevant to the early stages because later on these guys usually knock out and every blind matters so my raises get much more respect.

Say I have AQ LP and 2 guys have limped in. I raise 5x, yet both of them still call, miss the flop, c-bet and get called most of the time. They can nearly have any two cards, so it's just impossible to read them. Even worse, when the flop comes low cards and one of them donks, I'm forced to fold. I go short in early stages a lot, so obviously I'm doing something wrong.
 
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Calling stations, just like any other play style, can be exploited if you change up your approach.

The best offense would be to just play simple ABC (T/A) poker.

Value bet the heck out of your premium hands.

Avoid flips, especially in the early stages.

Avoid FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome).

Don't c-bet.

Don't check-raise.

Don't bluff.

When the station suddenly changes up their bet, or raises you, give them credit for the hand and get out.
 
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Since you have no fold equity, there should be no bluffing what so ever.

Bet big/ value bet with made hands. Its not hard.

Stations are the easy opponent to play against.
 
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I agree with the above comments. You can bleed chips excessively against calling stations, so don't. Make them bleed when you have the cards and make them pay.

Versus a calling station, you're #1 thought should be 'I have a better hand, now just how much can I bet and get them to continue to call.' Calling stations think that since they have money in the pot, I may as well call. Set the hand up so they continue to think they are 'bought into' the pot.

And like it's been stated above, for the love of God, don't bluff.

Cheers
 
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Fancy Play Syndrome...You cannot outsmart or outplay a player that has no clue. No use in trying to be creative against a player that cannot see past their own 2 cards.

You'll either waste chips or waste bets when your opponent has no idea what the hell is going on.
 
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that is a high level problem, which is very easy to remedy....tighten your range and value bet

another thing to consider is the villians "stickyness" by street does ie does he fold to cbet or does he fold to double barrels

another thing you can do is to increase your bet size

and if he never folds just value bet, value bet, value bet
 
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The mistake that a calling station makes is that they will often just call when they do have the best hand. About the only time you will see a calling station raising is when they are positive they have the best hand. This makes playing against them easy. When you win, you win the maximum. When you lose, you lose the minimum. These types of players are our true money makers. We should embrace confrontation with them, not run from it and obviously don't try to bluff them. :)
 
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nope i think it's fine if you know the players tendencies
 
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Really some useful stuff here, thanks everyone.

One more question, how do I proceed when there are multiple calling stations? There is no use raising to isolate, say I'm looking at AQ with a few limpers, what do I do if I don't plan to c-bet when missed (66% of the time) if I raise, I'm wasting chips and if I call, my equity shrinks and I'll have trouble post-flop
 
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Ok, just finished playing $1.10 1000 Cap. Played my best, 2 hours and a half into the tourney with a very healthy stack and I have AQs, I open in MP, folded to SB who is a deepstack and he calls. Flop is JT6, Jack and Ten of Diamonds give me a gutshot-flush draw. I c-bet, he calls. Turn is a Q. I second barrel, he calls. River is an Ace. Looking at a board one to a broadway. He checks to me and I check back. He has K7.... Wtf???? Lost nearly 40% of my stack, but I'm still good.

A few hands later, I have K8 in the BB, everyone limps in and I check. Flop comes 588, two diamonds. I check and a guy on my left who open limped bets 1/3, folded to me, I raise pot-sized, he calls, turn is a queen of spades, I shove, he calls with a flush draw with pot odds 2:1 at best. River is a diamomd and I'm out. 3 hours of excellent playing and I didn't even cash... Well that's Poker I guess, just wanted to share this in light of those calling stations.
 
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if their on your left you really have to watch. wait for prem's. and value town them
 
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The other day I had 3 kings & thought I had it won only to be beaten by some guy that called all the way when he had an ace flush at the flop.......

I felt like crying.
 
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If you mean against limpers, most of the time i try to punish the limpers with a big raise. Especialy when you feel it is the right time to punish the limpers, you can even make a big raise without watching your card. You will need to have a good read on your opponents. You shouldn't try this to often, because you will get calls or can get trapped easily.
 
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Generally calling stations can be defined as loose passive, my notes on loose passive players that I have saved are a general outline of what we can do to play against them, I used to go over them until it become common knowledge:

They will generally call bet after bet relatively loosely yet only bet and show aggression with their stronger holdings, both pre flop and post flop.
Generally, there is little incentive to move these players of off a hand as any raise is not likely to generate fold equity, thus consider limping marginal holdings pre flop, and betting strongly for value when appropriate.
For this reason we should recognise when our hand is best and bet relentlessly when it is, it is as simple as that.
This term refers to the general loose calling station type players, who can be difficult to play against.
Two very important things that should be remember is that we are looking to minimise the risk to our own stack while increasing the value we do get from our made hands. Thus it is essential that we do not bluff these kinds of players, as they are often likely to call very thinly. Bluffing does not requisite any fold equity. This is also applicable to continuation betting, this play should be totally disregarded in all situations against these players as we are in essence sacrificing equity to the villain.
We do however need to consider and apply thin value betting, these specific players have tendencies to call down with hands like any pair or Ace high in most situation so ideally we need to be betting our more marginal hands in order to extract value. Though it may seem like a good idea to bet less with these marginal hands, if anything we should be betting larger as a large majority of the time we are going to have a superior hand thus it is logical to extract the maximum perceived value possible, folding if played back at

Hero calling should also be avoided, these villains generally play passively however when they do turn up their aggression we should be wary and willing to fold all but the better hands in our range, though we may perceive the villains range and make a hero call accordingly these is actually a false play as it is extremely difficuilt to put these types of players on any hand, thus we should give up any hands that we encounter aggression in.
We should consider tightening our button raising range, and also increase our bet sizes with hands that we can extract value from. This also means making our post flop bet sizes relatively large, and as previously mentioned folding to any aggression. Also consider including limping with certain hands, and betting in accordance with the connection on the flop, checking from the blinds is also preferable with more marginal yet playable holdings.

Generally we are going to be keeping pots small and check folding marginal holdings or missed hands and playing our better holdings more strongly and aggressively for value.
 
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I strongly agree and recommend what Bearplay wrote.
Play poker by the book. The good when playing against calling stations is that they rarely raise so when u miss the flop, you can still improve on the later streets for free. When you got a monster play for value and try to make them think that you are bluffing. Just never bluff them.
 
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The second challenge against calling stations? Avoiding tilt when they river two-pair with 53o after they limped, you raised 10x with AA, they called, you bet pot on the flop, they called, then you put them all in on the turn with AK37 rainbow on the board.

The last SNG I played at Bovada had this kind of stuff going on from multiple people during the whole game and the worst offender wound up winning it. I'll bet he doesn't win very many though.
 
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Generally calling stations can be defined as loose passive, my notes on loose passive players that I have saved are a general outline of what we can do to play against them, I used to go over them until it become common knowledge:

They will generally call bet after bet relatively loosely yet only bet and show aggression with their stronger holdings, both pre flop and post flop.
Generally, there is little incentive to move these players of off a hand as any raise is not likely to generate fold equity, thus consider limping marginal holdings pre flop, and betting strongly for value when appropriate.
For this reason we should recognise when our hand is best and bet relentlessly when it is, it is as simple as that.
This term refers to the general loose calling station type players, who can be difficult to play against.
Two very important things that should be remember is that we are looking to minimise the risk to our own stack while increasing the value we do get from our made hands. Thus it is essential that we do not bluff these kinds of players, as they are often likely to call very thinly. Bluffing does not requisite any fold equity. This is also applicable to continuation betting, this play should be totally disregarded in all situations against these players as we are in essence sacrificing equity to the villain.
We do however need to consider and apply thin value betting, these specific players have tendencies to call down with hands like any pair or Ace high in most situation so ideally we need to be betting our more marginal hands in order to extract value. Though it may seem like a good idea to bet less with these marginal hands, if anything we should be betting larger as a large majority of the time we are going to have a superior hand thus it is logical to extract the maximum perceived value possible, folding if played back at

Hero calling should also be avoided, these villains generally play passively however when they do turn up their aggression we should be wary and willing to fold all but the better hands in our range, though we may perceive the villains range and make a hero call accordingly these is actually a false play as it is extremely difficuilt to put these types of players on any hand, thus we should give up any hands that we encounter aggression in.
We should consider tightening our button raising range, and also increase our bet sizes with hands that we can extract value from. This also means making our post flop bet sizes relatively large, and as previously mentioned folding to any aggression. Also consider including limping with certain hands, and betting in accordance with the connection on the flop, checking from the blinds is also preferable with more marginal yet playable holdings.

Generally we are going to be keeping pots small and check folding marginal holdings or missed hands and playing our better holdings more strongly and aggressively for value.
This is a great post and really says it all on the topic of calling stations. Read and reread this many times until it is known by heart.

I'd like to ask, in your example of 2 station limpers and you raised with AQ...what was your purpose of that raise? I'm not suggesting raising there is wrong, But just that you should know what you're trying to achieve and have a plan for the hand.

If they're limp/call stations (as many are). Then you can't expect to have any fold equity preflop. So that takes away one if the big reasons for raising (possibly winning the pot right there). If you're just trying to isolate and play a pot in position, that's ok too but you have to understand the inherent risks if this. You're going to miss the flop 2/3 of the time and they're not gonna fold.

Don't just simply raise because you've heard you should raise the limpers...have a plan. Sometimes I'll limp along with stations with hands like that. Sometimes I'll raise. I'm more likely to raise when they're loose preflop and straightforward post flop. These players are ideal to Cbet, so isolating with position has lots of ways to win. But if they're just loose passive calling stations on all streets; then the only real way to win is have a better hand and bet it big. AQ, while it may be ahead preflop has more "potential" To make a great hand but is not inherently strong enough to build a pot vs stations.
 
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I would play premium hands and no weak player can not win well, except that on the bet bits
 
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