Hand-for-hand play, unfair?

#1 March 15th, 2019, 5:27 PM

i think that in a way hand for hand play is unfair.
because if you a short stacked and have like 1-2 BB left then the timer is still ticking and will be against you even more.

and id just like to know what others think of this if they have even thought about this?

#2 March 15th, 2019, 5:40 PM

The rules are the same for everyone. Just try not to fall into such situations.

#3 March 15th, 2019, 6:19 PM

Sorry but it is not unfair , if you arrived at the bubble phase in a MTT (not satellite) with 1-2bbs then I think that you have done something wrong till then. The bubble phase has ICM considerations and good players are totally aware of that , so they apply pressure whenever they can.

#4 March 15th, 2019, 6:28 PM

It's fair play, but I notice that it's the short stacks that are shooting themselves in their feet by delaying play as much as possible; all within the rules, no problems.

#5 March 15th, 2019, 6:35 PM

Originally Posted by donkey2019

i think that in a way hand for hand play is unfair.
because if you a short stacked and have like 1-2 BB left then the timer is still ticking and will be against you even more.

and id just like to know what others think of this if they have even thought about this?

when you reach hand for hand the game is not the same as the one during the tournaments, the players become practically all bluffers and so if you are not in good position in hand for hand you must risk having an A or K otherwise your opponent will defeat you with bluffing

#6 March 15th, 2019, 6:53 PM

try to have a stack more than 1-2BB in hand for hand period and you don't have these problem and minds again

#7 March 15th, 2019, 7:00 PM

I think alls fair
What applies to you applies to others.
Just hold on there and hope someone else knocks out before you
Thanks

#8 March 15th, 2019, 7:53 PM

Never happened to bust out during H4H phase, like everyone else said you should take better care of your stack.

#9 March 15th, 2019, 9:25 PM

In this game there are no rules for justice. You have the right to play at the table as you please.

#10 March 15th, 2019, 11:05 PM

I think that hand for hand play at the bubble is a good thing. it keeps the game moving faster, which if the blind structure is on a timer rather than counting hands played, then you are able to play more hands cheaper.

Without hand for hand, there will undoubtedly be "stallers" at one or more tables trying to wait out the bubble. This is unfair to the small stacks who may not be at such a table.

So I do think hand for hand play is the best solution.

#11 March 15th, 2019, 11:11 PM

I totally feel like this is the best way possible to make it fair for all participants.

#12 March 15th, 2019, 11:14 PM

I think it's the same for everyone. I sometimes use the time bank even more so to put shortys under pressure when the blinds jump. Maybe not the best ettiqutte but I hold my hands up I've done it

#13 March 16th, 2019, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by donkey2019

i think that in a way hand for hand play is unfair.
because if you a short stacked and have like 1-2 BB left then the timer is still ticking and will be against you even more.

and id just like to know what others think of this if they have even thought about this?

You will get the same time as everyone else nothing will be working against you. Hand for hand is implemented to prevent stalling and to eliminate ties.

#14 March 16th, 2019, 12:26 AM

People have the right to press the stack.

#15 March 16th, 2019, 12:32 AM

Yea, it sucks when your short stacked at the bubble. But that's poker for you and sometimes you have to suck it up and play with what you have. however you got to that point being short-stacked, H4H is the same for everyone.

Good luck, and chin up!

#16 March 16th, 2019, 12:33 AM

I think it is fair. I think short stacks shouldn't stall the game to try and reach the money. They hurt themselves with the stalling as they don't see that many hands in case they could double up with a good hand. But if they want to waste time stalling so be it. Just don't complain about the blinds being to high when it reaches hand for hand play. It's their fault for stalling and raising the blinds without seeing that many quality hands.

#17 March 16th, 2019, 1:41 AM

Originally Posted by Bluffzone68

I think alls fair
What applies to you applies to others.
Just hold on there and hope someone else knocks out before you
Thanks

Lol no it wasn't a position I was in well not recently
I was just asking the question

#18 March 17th, 2019, 1:33 AM

I never get to have one or two blinds to stay still, when we have less than 8 big blinds we open the range.

#19 March 17th, 2019, 1:57 AM

It is what it is, what is unfair about it? Same rules for everyone.

#20 March 17th, 2019, 2:07 AM

Originally Posted by Steve Deeble

I totally feel like this is the best way possible to make it fair for all participants.

This ^^^^

Hand for hand play is what makes it fair for all on the bubble or pay grade jump.

Anyone stalling during H4H play is just showing everyone else that they have no clue, they are only making the blinds go up before they play their next hand, short stacks especially should not stall, whereas big stacks could stall to make the blinds bigger to get the small stacks all in sooner.

#21 March 17th, 2019, 2:11 AM

In my opinion its the only way to keep play around the bubble fair. Otherwise people can force DC or just tank for ages. This takes play away from the big stacks who want to be more aggressive.

#22 March 17th, 2019, 2:27 AM

You just hope your not in a situation that hand for hand play causes you to get knocked out.

#23 March 17th, 2019, 2:42 AM

Hand for hand is totally fair.
Some tables and hands are faster than others.
You can't slowplay to itm.

#24 March 17th, 2019, 2:44 AM

Originally Posted by donkey2019

i think that in a way hand for hand play is unfair.
because if you a short stacked and have like 1-2 BB left then the timer is still ticking and will be against you even more.
and id just like to know what others think of this if they have even thought about this?

hi hi
i believe its ok and fair for all that way, if not what you suggest is better/more fair?

#25 March 21st, 2019, 2:35 AM

As others have said, without hand-for-hand the game will actually move much slower in most cases. Where I play each player has 30 seconds to act, without hand-for-hand almost every player will let that timer run down. A single hand can easily take 5 minutes or more when everyone is doing that.

#26 March 21st, 2019, 3:33 AM

Just think if there was no hand for hand play and all the larger stacks took as much time as possible cause the blinds to go up so that you basically short stacks have to shove with any hand.

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