Hand Discussion... Prelop play vs post flop play

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VegasTales

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Situation: I'm big blind, villian has been raising on any 2 from the cutoff for the last 3 tables. I'm short stacked and get A10 in the big. He raises to 1600 and knowing for certain I have him crushed here when everyone folds to me I push wanting a race. The thing that I'm asking here is would he have folded if I did a "Stop n Go" by calling and shoving the flop, I'd have been able to bet 2075 on the flop, but does he call having pot odds?

Could I have avoided this situation?

full tilt poker Game #21600447348: GameCTRL.com Nightly $1000 (166464857), Table 1 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:30:43 ET - 2010/06/13
Seat 1: bw splitta (28,885)
Seat 2: fisheees (9,725)
Seat 3: hockeygirl25 (8,565)
Seat 4: Dcaps (4,965)
Seat 5: VegasTales (3,550)
Seat 6: FkinGrind (7,905)
Seat 7: ccfund (5,175)
Seat 8: john2dogs (15,575)
Seat 9: SannyHawaii (2,655)
bw splitta antes 75
fisheees antes 75
hockeygirl25 antes 75
Dcaps antes 75
VegasTales antes 75
FkinGrind antes 75
ccfund antes 75
john2dogs antes 75
SannyHawaii antes 75
Dcaps posts the small blind of 300
VegasTales posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to VegasTales [As Th]
FkinGrind folds
ccfund folds
john2dogs folds
SannyHawaii folds
hockeygirl25: i tried to show
bw splitta folds
fisheees raises to 1,400
hockeygirl25 folds
Dcaps has 15 seconds left to act
Dcaps folds
VegasTales raises to 3,475, and is all in
fisheees has 15 seconds left to act
fisheees calls 2,075
VegasTales shows [As Th]
fisheees shows [Jh Qs]
*** FLOP *** [Ah 6h Ts]
*** TURN *** [Ah 6h Ts] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 6h Ts 4h] [Ks]
VegasTales shows two pair, Aces and Tens
fisheees shows a straight, Ace high
fisheees wins the pot (7,925) with a straight, Ace high
bw splitta: 200 for me sounds fair (second place money)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,925 | Rake 0
Board: [Ah 6h Ts 4h Ks]
Seat 1: bw splitta folded before the Flop
Seat 2: fisheees showed [Jh Qs] and won (7,925) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 3: hockeygirl25 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Dcaps (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: VegasTales (big blind) showed [As Th] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 6: FkinGrind folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ccfund folded before the Flop
Seat 8: john2dogs folded before the Flop
Seat 9: SannyHawaii folded before the Flop
 
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Pretty results orientated here... Sure you can stop and go him, but i kind of prefer to get it in here, with a hand you can have him dominated by pretty easily, id prefer a double up, rather than gaining more folding equity.

That said, i thhink Stop n going is fine, however once you hit this flop, were never (going) were probably going to check it to him, and with reads described, he'll probably cbetshove, whihc is ideal too. Either way, you got it in good, got unlucky, don't start thinking you could have avoided this if only you had done something differant, thats how leaks develop, from results orientated thinking.
 
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I've been thinking more about the stop n go in big blind situations. The stop n go gives the opponent the opportunity to fold if he completely misses, but puts the big blind in the better position. This hand didn't have the fold equity on the flop for the stop n go in my opinion which is one of the reasons i preflop shoved. I'm not looking at from results as much as I'm trying to improve my final table play.
I took 9th and won $30 but if I would have used the stop n go in a couple situations where they were meant to be used I think I could have came out in 2nd and took $200 instead.
I just want to know when to use it, big stacked or medium stacked because short stacked I've been beat up preflop and may have been able to take them down with a call preflop and shove on the flop.
 
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I mainly play SNG, i use the stop n go a lot, and believe me, against fish with no sense of pot odds or whatever, you always have some fold equity, how much im not sure, against this guy, we probably do have fold equity on the flop, but not too much, considering reads.

I use the stop n go, against mainly poor players, in spots where i know i need to get the money in, like i have 55 in the BB and a spewy late position player raises, i know if i shove im getting called and am at best a 50/50, so id use the stop n go to gain more folding equity. But with hands like A10, i dont know but, im pretty sure shoving is better, as we get calls from stuff we dominate...

Just like every 'play' we make in poker, we want to use it sporadically, it's going to lose effectiveness if they see you do that same move from the blinds 3-4 times, even fish will pick up on that, presuming they are not heavily intoxicated.
 
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You had 6 BB left- I think you had to push with A10 PF regardless of the guy on the button. Sounds like he was calling anyhow and you had him PF, I'd put maximum pressure on him, but that's how it goes sometimes.
 
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You are short stacked with a decent hand against a guy who steals in the cutoff every opportunity he gets. So why play games, just get it in. Don't question your play because you lost, you did the right thing. Your stack was too short for a stop and go.
 
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