Getting away from two pair?

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Hey guys,

So I played the sunday storm for the first time today
Busted out in a lowly 12 thousandth of 40 thousand :/

I raised on the button with 94 suited trying to steal the blinds, (2.5x bet)
BB called and I flopped two pair

9 4 J rainbow

BB checks to me so I bet a lil over half pot.
He calls my bet. and the next card is a 6
he checks again
I again bet a lil over half pot and he shoves on me.
I called and he turns over JJ (I would have expected a reraise from him)
I called because he shoved AJ on J 7 2 board a few hands previously

Start of the hand I had about 22k and he had 24-5k, blinds 300/600
I had been playing tight and aggressive for the first 2 hours,
was 450th in chips at one point. I felt good.

So now im here licking my wounds and feeling sorry that a chance at 30k has slipped away.



Maybe trying to steal the blinds wasnt the right play as I didnt really need too as my tourney wasnt in danger, but I thought better to do it now then when I cant get away from my hand (ironic I know)

Does anyone else find it hard to get away from two pair like this?
 
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It's bottom two pair on the flop and second bottom two pair on the turn, so that's about the only reason why you can get away from this other than reads. You did play the hand fine. You could have bet more to protect against being counterfeited so you can hopefully get your money in good.
 
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considering you said he shoved AJ a few hands prior, i think that would be enough to warrant a call, would of expected him to re-steal with JJ pre so it's very hard to put him on a set of Jacks, only thing i can put him on is a set of 6s 4s or 9s two of which are unlikely considering you hold two blockers, could also of slow played QQ+ i wouldn't worry to much about it not a lot you could have done with such an action flop.
 
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Seems like you played it fine to me. That's one of those situations where maybe you could have done this or maybe you could have done that. It's all hypothetical, you had a read on him and he changed up at the right time. The right play doesn't always win and the wrong play doesn't always lose.
 
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Thanks guys. I guess it's just one of those things.
It was the only time in the tournament that I risked my stack.
Went from 5k starting to 28 with no flips or crazy double ups just tag play.

Can't win them all but it's good to hear I wasn't a complete idiot!

On to the next one! :)
 
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Hi man !

First off all... there is something bad and something good about the hand you played and lost

Let' s star with the bad thing ( In my opinion ) > What were you thinking to steal with 94s, I know you were on the Button ... it might seem inviting but it will end like this if the SB or BB wakes up with some kind of playing hand.

The good ...you played it good on Flop and Turn and giving circumstances that he showed with AJo before ... and that he did not ReRaise you on he Flop ...AI call was the right move

Anyway next time steal with very solid or Premium hand preF not with 94s

Good Luck @TABles !
 
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Played it fine in my opinion. Those spots are just going to happen. Even the steal with 9,4s is alright

I also busted out of the storm with two pair A3 on A73 board I shoved the turn maybe a little over zealously (around 35bbs at the start of the hand)I think the turn was some random card. I ended up being against a set of sevens to bust a few hundred places short of the money. I'd do it again though. I fully expected to come up against sets or a bigger aces up from time to time but I get called by A10-AK and flush draws enough to make it a profitable play.
 
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Hi man !

First off all... there is something bad and something good about the hand you played and lost

Let' s star with the bad thing ( In my opinion ) > What were you thinking to steal with 94s, I know you were on the Button ... it might seem inviting but it will end like this if the SB or BB wakes up with some kind of playing hand.

The good ...you played it good on Flop and Turn and giving circumstances that he showed with AJo before ... and that he did not ReRaise you on he Flop ...AI call was the right move

Anyway next time steal with very solid or Premium hand preF not with 94s

Good Luck @TABles !

The guy said himself his intentions were to 'steal' 94s is definitely a hand to steal with as it has a little bit of post flop playability, anyway OP was stealing and i assume would of folded if he had been played back at pre, BB got tricky with this hand by smooth calling disguising his hand strength
 
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A suited hand like 94 was good for a steal I thought.
When you hit two pair and your opponent may think you have ak which missed the 94J board.
That was my thinking anyway.

Stealing with premium hands isn't stealing though. That's just playing when you have a good hand which makes you predictable, one would have thought.
 
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A suited hand like 94 was good for a steal I thought.
When you hit two pair and your opponent may think you have ak which missed the 94J board.
That was my thinking anyway.

Stealing with premium hands isn't stealing though. That's just playing when you have a good hand which makes you predictable, one would have thought.
most of the time you don't flop two pairs with that hand. Also, I wouldn't be very brave with 9 and 4, since it has four gut cards which are 5 6 7 8, I hope you get what I'm saying, stealing with 9 5 that got 3 gut cards 6 7 8, or 10 6 that got 3 gut cards 7 8 9 have more chance of getting to a straight.
 
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Hard to get away sir.
Anyway, you should be thinking why he was still there with you, on rainbows.
Overall, hard to read sets.
 
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I file this under "That f-ing sucks"

The same thing happened to me a few days ago in a game. I flopped top two, and there was flush texture on the board when the flop hit, he checked, I bet the pot, and he called. Turn came out and he shoved me.
Sucks balls to be on the receiving end of it, but I just had to remember I've done the same thing to others many a time. The chances of you flopping two pair when your opponent simultaneously flops a set on his pair are low enough to not worry about this too much. Just remember what happened this time when someone smooth-calls you. Sit out the turn or something.
 
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never leave

Well, I'm a beginner, but I believe it will always depend on the cards come out. On pokerstars each 3/4 I usually win! Hehehehe My problem is lack of patience.
 
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You need to develop a good rule of thumb for when you are trying to steal the blinds. Personally, if I am ahead of the chip average, I generally try to avoid stealing. I also look at the value of blinds to my stack. If the pot is less than 10 percent of my stack, I will generally take a pass. In your case, the blinds were 300/600 for a total of 900 chips. Assuming 9 players at the table paid a 60 chip ante, and that's a total pot of 1,440. If you had 24,000 chips, that is somewhere around 6 percent of your stack. In other words, adding that small stack is not worth the risk. Once you get in the latter stages of a tourney, then your strategy has to be adjusted. It's a crime spree at the final table, but until then, I tend to be more judicious when trying to steal.
 
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You need to develop a good rule of thumb for when you are trying to steal the blinds. Personally, if I am ahead of the chip average, I generally try to avoid stealing. I also look at the value of blinds to my stack. If the pot is less than 10 percent of my stack, I will generally take a pass. In your case, the blinds were 300/600 for a total of 900 chips. Assuming 9 players at the table paid a 60 chip ante, and that's a total pot of 1,440. If you had 24,000 chips, that is somewhere around 6 percent of your stack. In other words, adding that small stack is not worth the risk.
This line of thinking seems to ignore the way your table is playing. If you're at one where you can succeed a high % of the time, you're basically declining to take chips that are there for the taking.

Using the numbers above, let's say you bet 1440, so almost 2.5x. If you succeed half the time, you break even. Sure, it's possible to lose more than 1440, but since you're stealing, which means you don't have much of a starting hand, it's not as if you're going to get into big pots often, and when you do, you may well have caught enough to win. Plus IP, it's not exactly unusual for it to go check, bet, fold on the flop, which adds 2880 to your stack.
 
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yep, and if you want to win the tournament, you need all the chips, if your not stealing often enough, your not winning tournaments.
 
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i think you played it just fine. Esp IP. just the fact that u realise ur stealing is enough. This flop is the virtual nuts so i dont think any good player is ever folding this flop. Only problem is you like 40BB deep. But even then, i dont think i can fold this flop as slowplayed overpairs and TPTK are always in villains range.

Unlucky really. Keep gridning and the results will come sooner or later.

PS> the sunday storm is sooo hard due to the field size.
 
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Hard to get away sir.
Anyway, you should be thinking why he was still there with you, on rainbows.
Overall, hard to read sets.
yeap if he got AA or KK prob. play it same way
I called and he turns over JJ (I would have expected a reraise from him)
He hits top set so there is no reason to reraise he dont want to out play You if I know in tournament in late level I will not fold anyway not often but sometimes...
i don't generally reraise just call to the end to make's my opp. feeling I try to suck out on him
 
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If you have a good hand, you're not stealing.

If you have a premium hand, you're not stealing. A good hand, you could be steeling. I think he should have had a little bit better of hand to steal with. Specially that late in the tournament.
 
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Attempt to steal blinds is finished after flop when your opponent called your half pot raise, and playing with two pairs specially with middle pair is always tricky
and your attempts to push him out with another raises guided you to become pot committed
 
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Hard to get away from...that rush of endorphins when you see the flop
 
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You really can't put him on a set here. You have one of the 9s and one of the 4s. It's insane for him to have JJ here.

This is just one of those plays where the BB played incredibly badly, so you can't put him on the hand he has. Flatting with JJ here is crazy. He is out of position and the flop is going to have an over card way too many times for him to be comfortable.

a reasonable range for the villain here is a J with a decent kicker or air, with a slim chance of J7 or 76. Nothing else really makes sense, so its a good call on your part.
 
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If you have a premium hand, you're not stealing. A good hand, you could be steeling.
So any time you open the betting with less than a premium hand is stealing? That seems like a pretty narrow definition.

And what does could be stealing mean? If you open a good hand, whether you're stealing or not depends whether someone yet to act has better? That would be basing your definition on hindsight.

Plus what if I open a premium hand but someone else has better? Is that stealing too?
 
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hi!
it was a set up,a cooler
i cant avoid this situation in that spot of the tournament
in such big field tournaments you need to be very lucky in many spots
post flop you play it good in my opinion
 
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