Folding KK

A $5 buy in no limit tournament about 2 hrs in, blinds are 300/600. I have 24000 in the dealer position. It folds around to the high jack who raises to 1800. The cut off calls. I have KK and I call hoping I can trap if no ace hits the flop. The flop is A,7,3. High jack bets 3500 and the cut off goes all in for 14000. I fold my KK and cut off wins with JJ against TT. They were both in late position and could have had anything but with the all in move I felt my chances were slim with an Ace showing on the board. Was i chicken? Should I have raised pre-flop?

No you were not at all. Sad ending, but great fold.

Without knowing the other Stack size and where we are in relationship to the bubble I would not limp KK into a multi-way Pot either raise or shove. What was the third stack by the way?

Once the A falls against that action you have to fold and survive.

yes you must 3 bet with two players in already. Probably better to play against one hand with KK. Also you 3bet shove they both call and you have them dominated and take a nice pot. You played scared, assuming that players only would raise and call raises with an Ace in their hand.

With KK i would have 3 bet big pre flop and put the pressure back on them and give them a chance to jam, but i do understand why you played it like that.... i do that from time to time myself.

yes indeed a raise would have given you the opportunity to eleminate a player seen that you already have half of your stack in the shot and that it could have followed with no matter what.damage that the variance is not wanted to be of your rating on this late game. good luck for your next games.

In my opinion you need to be raising pre flop here with 2 players already in the pot.

Hi
I experienced this situation in one single tourney, 3 players were busted in 3 different hands with KK.

Its a great hand but a lot of trouble too.
I prefer folding (like you did) rather than getting busted.
Thanks
Manoj
Bluffzone68

if you are folding in AA, KK, QQ, AK is giving up too much. These hands are usually 80 percent fair against a random range, and you will lose 20 percent of the time, but pay an all in with these is profitable in the long run

Trapping pre-flop in a multiway pot is pretty difficult to do. You have to be really good. I don't think this is a matter of courage. I think you should have just raised preflop. Doing that gives you a chance to win 7.5BB without any multiway postflop non-sense. That's easy money. If they do call and are able to bluff you, then I guess that's good for them, but how often is that going to happen, especially if their stacks are so low. You might have been in a chance to get them to put their entire stack in preflop with JJ. That would be a great result.

I agree great fold. I must say I have been getting destroyed with pocket pairs lately I am starting to just fold them.

3/4bet or even sooner push after this raise

vox1er said:

A $5 buy in no limit tournament about 2 hrs in, blinds are 300/600. I have 24000 in the dealer position. It folds around to the high jack who raises to 1800. The cut off calls. I have KK and I call hoping I can trap if no ace hits the flop. The flop is A,7,3. High jack bets 3500 and the cut off goes all in for 14000. I fold my KK and cut off wins with JJ against TT. They were both in late position and could have had anything but with the all in move I felt my chances were slim with an Ace showing on the board. Was i chicken? Should I have raised pre-flop?

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On 40bb's preflop you for sure should've 3-bet preflop!!! (... & although results oriented thinking here now... you probably would've doubled through the JJ player 'depending upon stack sizes of villains and of all the other players on the table). 40bb is also an ideally sized stack to be 3-betting light pre here in a spot like this..... which might help you to get action pre even more so.

As played...
No.. you didn't play it post flop 'like a chicken' at all imo. Chances of the 2nd villain jamming over the first ones Cbet here is almost always going to have at least an Ace (unless there's a flush draw on the board).
You thinking you should've played it differently post flop is 100% 'results-oriented' thinking. You need to make the best play in each spot based on the info. you have at the time. Easy fold imo!

ALSO, don't post hand history questions with the results. Just post up to the point where it's your turn to act. (up to the 'point of decision for you'). When you post a hand in the manner you have here, you'll get a bunch of freetrollin' pros who will tell you that you 'should've' done this.. or that.. and their answers will be prejudiced by the results they can already see. (ie. telling you to get it in on this flop vs. the action that was happening ahead of you, <<< LOL).

The question here should be (imo) what you should be doing pre flop. You lost an oppurtunity here by playing it less than optimally preflop (imo).

weak tight no way to go thru life !

Not re raising pre flop with kk is just too timid in that spot ! that pot was already worth winning, so I don't think it was time to get fancy . Just make sure your 3 bet was large enough so you don't have a tough decision on the flop . ( I'm gonna shove or close to it ).

Standard fold. Well done. Can't do much there when there's a call and a shove on top of that.

Freeroll warrior weighing in. Casino mix up free roll. Im 300/1100 ( 500 to bubble ) . I got KK. We both have fairly equal stack. Cant remember positions but guy to my immediate right raises 3bb, i raise pot. All fold but raiser. Flop is all lows, rainbow, 7 2 10 i think. 1/2 pot bet, i pop it full pot, call. 4 or 5 on turn. Small bet, i shove. Call. Turn is J and I lose to J 7 off. I dont really have a point. I like your fold though. Cheers

You should have raised preflop, if you had done that, on the flop it would have been easier to know if the villain had hit the at ace

I think you played very well, personally. With the Ace on the board and all you're having is a pair of kings... it was reasonable to assume someone had hit that ace. I think even if you had three-bet, you weren't getting rid of those two other players. Based on their play, they were dead set on going all the way. The only thing that may have changed is that you could've seen an all-in shove pre-flop, which would've been ok to call.

Anyway, heck of a fold... good play. Best luck to you at the tables!

It depends a lot on who I would be playing against quite usually observe the players at the table as they behave to bluff too much or not so he would know if this would be vying for the hand me bluffing or not there would decide what to do

I think that you should 3 bet pre-flop to try play against just one player but after flop you made a right fold.

Your play seems fine here, but I might raise preflop just to limit opponents. Overall I think you played the hand fine, the results just didn't go according to plan. I think you will see one of the players have an Ax in this spot the vast majority of the time

I probably would have pushed pre flop depending on high jack's chip stack . Since they only made a small raise and a call , you should figure neither has AA . If you just call pre flop , then you have to be prepared to fold if an A flops . I would've folded with those post flop bets also . You didn't do anything wrong by folding . Maybe they had a read on each other to bet that aggressive . Just a tough spot for you . Better luck next time .

hard call to make but I would call it a disciplined fold, the logic you had behind the fold makes sense given their bets and board texture. I would find it hard myself but would probably make a fold as well given the same situation.

In a 5$ tournament nobody folds 10+ pair preflop, no matter what raise is, yes you could jam there ,but after a 2 h of playing would you be willing to risk your tournament life on a pair of KK? I think you did right play. They could have ace or a set there, so folding there is a good play.