Fold or All in?????

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This is a 45 man Nickace12 is just on a deadly heater and won like last 6 hands in a row kicking out everyone at the FT so what do I do here?


pokerstars Game #45039437674: Tournament #279499406, $3.00+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2010/06/04 0:37:26 CT [2010/06/04 1:37:26 ET]
Table '279499406 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: NickAces12 (41617 in chips)
Seat 2: boolena (3210 in chips)
Seat 6: Jay_Are _Pee (16855 in chips)
Seat 8: Captcos1973 (5818 in chips)
NickAces12: posts the ante 75
boolena: posts the ante 75
Jay_Are _Pee: posts the ante 75
Captcos1973: posts the ante 75
boolena: posts small blind 600
Jay_Are _Pee: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jay_Are _Pee [Jh Ad]
Captcos1973: raises 4543 to 5743 and is all-in
NickAces12: calls 5743
boolena: folds
Jay_Are _Pee:?????????
 
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Easy fold. The chip leader already called.. no need to get into the pot with them, giving the all-inner a chance to triple up. AJo is an okay hand, but not good enough to call off 1/3 of your chip stack with, and still have to battle it out with the chip leader after the flop.. especially at the final table.

You said the chip leader was on a deadly heater.. and if he called the all-in.. there's a good chance he could have you crushed with AK, AQ, QQ, JJ.... or make it a coin flip with a smaller pocket pair. I would just sit back and watch the hand unfold on it's own, hoping the chip leader KO's the small stack, gettin' you closer to 1st.
 
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A Jo is a weak hand in this situation-get away from it and choose a better spot to get your money in.
 
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Thanks for all the feed back was going to post some more fold or shove spots but I only allowed to make 2 threads in a 24 hour period:mad:
haha better not say that aboot posts now :p
 
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This is Final 2 tables in a $2.20 180 man. The 1st guy I figure is pushing with anything here 2nd guy maybe AJ,AQ 3rd guy no clue so what do I do here???

PokerStars Game #44536712205: Tournament #275951742, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2010/06/03 3:52:19 CT [2010/05/24 4:52:19 ET]
Table '275951742 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: ayofresh (14590 in chips)
Seat 3: jordi79 (27315 in chips)
Seat 5: Jay_Are _Pee (71482 in chips)
Seat 6: Tira98 (56312 in chips)
Seat 7: AA_dot_DK (18530 in chips)
Seat 8: WOWLUCK (4295 in chips)
ayofresh: posts the ante 150
jordi79: posts the ante 150
Jay_Are _Pee: posts the ante 150
Tira98: posts the ante 150
AA_dot_DK: posts the ante 150
WOWLUCK: posts the ante 150
Tira98: posts small blind 800
AA_dot_DK: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jay_Are _Pee [As Kh]
WOWLUCK: raises 2545 to 4145 and is all-in
ayofresh: raises 3855 to 8000
jordi79: raises 19165 to 27165 and is all-in
Jay_Are _Pee:??????????
 
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I would fold that one, too. If jordi didn't shove, then I would have reraised ayo all-in... but since jordi shoved, and ayo would practically have to call this since he's pot committed... 3 all-ins... guarenteed one of them as a pocket pair.. and another would probably have an Ace with a weaker kicker than you.. which would mean that would take away one of your outs.

You know you are behind in this hand.. with 3 all-ins, at risking 2/5 of your chip stack.. I would fold. At best, I would put you at a 33% favorite.. 2nd best in the hand out of the 4.
 
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1st one: easy fold.AJo and two all-ins, don't overthink it.

2nd one: fold.
-->you haven't commited any of your chips yet. UTG has been waiting for a while I suppose and he could have something good or was just desperate, so we can ignore him.
What we can't ignore is that the second one didn't flat call, he instead raised the all-in player to try and get some more chips from one of you instead of letting you join freely to increase your chances of kicking him out...so he must have something pretty good I think and he can't back out anymore.
The real puzzler is the third one who is aware of this situation and has an average chip stack that can get him further later but he was willing to put it all-in on this hand!Why? Because he didn't care what the others had.I guess that guy had at least the highest pocket pairs available (QQ, KK, AA) to commit all his chips with at least one threat before him and YOU after him!
Ok so what are we talkin about here? You have AKo with which you'd get a coin flip at best against a QQ and which is an underdog against KK or AA, and don't forget the other 2 players whom at least one of them has a good hand or another pocket and the other may hit the low cards making you suffer a bad beat...
As mortis said, you are behind in this hand, but you are chip leader on the table. Don't just call because you're chip leader and risk losing your chip lead, fold this hand instead and wait for a better spot where you have a better read and a lower risk...GL :)!
 
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first fold is easy!

2nd fold would be tough but is a must, too many all in already, i know AK is nice but theres a good chance some of the other villians all-in have some of your outs, meaning someone playing a pocket pair could easily take this pot QQ or JJ i'm thinking
 
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Personally I don't think the first hand is such an 'easy fold' as others are suggesting here.
I mean think about it.. first guy should be shoving w atc's here, & CL could be calling really wide. AJ could easily be way ahead. The difficulty in the hand (obv & am sure why OP is posting it) is due to the payout & the super shortstack folding.
 
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I would fold that one, too. If jordi didn't shove, then I would have reraised ayo all-in... but since jordi shoved, and ayo would practically have to call this since he's pot committed... 3 all-ins... guarenteed one of them as a pocket pair.. and another would probably have an Ace with a weaker kicker than you.. which would mean that would take away one of your outs.

You know you are behind in this hand.. with 3 all-ins, at risking 2/5 of your chip stack.. I would fold. At best, I would put you at a 33% favorite.. 2nd best in the hand out of the 4.

idk.. I don't play these games at all.. but I think this read is way off for a few reasons.
a) first guy's shove is meaningless.. he should be shoving atc here
b) the hand I'd be concerned about is the guy who 3bets with over half of his stack on less than 10bb's (suggesting that he's pot committed & likely calling if you shove over as well..... well my read on his play is >> OF COURSE he's calling you.. why else would he make such a weird raise in this spot??).
The other player coming over the top.... this would have me laying down the AK here (although it is player read dependant as well).
 
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i dont like the situation here, if it was me my gut feeling wouldnt be strong in my hand here, i think you gotta fold bud
 
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The first guy can be shoving with atc and the second guy is also starting to get desperate. Without being the first in the pot, with a weak hand he'd just fold. By playing, he's saying he has a hand and by raising and, particularly, not pushing, I think it's a very good one. If he wanted to isolate the first guy with something like A8 or middle pair, he'd go all in. This raise suggests he doesn't mind having more players enter the pot, while committing himself to it. Pretty strong move.
The third guy sees all this and shoves, he definitely has a premium hand.

It all depends on the reads you have, obviously, but AK doesn't look good, just fold.
 
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AJ is weak in this hand because you would be facing off vs. the chip leader and you don't have a made hand. You should fold and live to see the next hand.
 
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I think the first hand is an easy fold.

The second hand is a little more difficult but still has to be folded.
 
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Easy fold. The chip leader already called.. no need to get into the pot with them, giving the all-inner a chance to triple up. AJo is an okay hand, but not good enough to call off 1/3 of your chip stack with, and still have to battle it out with the chip leader after the flop.. especially at the final table.

You said the chip leader was on a deadly heater.. and if he called the all-in.. there's a good chance he could have you crushed with AK, AQ, QQ, JJ.... or make it a coin flip with a smaller pocket pair. I would just sit back and watch the hand unfold on it's own, hoping the chip leader KO's the small stack, gettin' you closer to 1st.


Took the words right out of my Mind (You know what I mean)

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This is Final 2 tables in a $2.20 180 man. The 1st guy I figure is pushing with anything here 2nd guy maybe AJ,AQ 3rd guy no clue so what do I do here???

PokerStars Game #44536712205: Tournament #275951742, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2010/06/03 3:52:19 CT [2010/05/24 4:52:19 ET]
Table '275951742 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: ayofresh (14590 in chips)
Seat 3: jordi79 (27315 in chips)
Seat 5: Jay_Are _Pee (71482 in chips)
Seat 6: Tira98 (56312 in chips)
Seat 7: AA_dot_DK (18530 in chips)
Seat 8: WOWLUCK (4295 in chips)
ayofresh: posts the ante 150
jordi79: posts the ante 150
Jay_Are _Pee: posts the ante 150
Tira98: posts the ante 150
AA_dot_DK: posts the ante 150
WOWLUCK: posts the ante 150
Tira98: posts small blind 800
AA_dot_DK: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jay_Are _Pee [As Kh]
WOWLUCK: raises 2545 to 4145 and is all-in
ayofresh: raises 3855 to 8000
jordi79: raises 19165 to 27165 and is all-in
Jay_Are _Pee:??????????

This spot Is all Really Dependant on your Reads...I myself Would fold in this cuz 27k in chips is A decent amount of your stack to risk so there-fore, I'd wait for a better spot.....
 
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