Flush vs Flush.. Bad beat or mistake?

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I was on BB holding Ks 5s
One player raised 2BB
I called and flop 7s Js 2h
He raised half pot i called and turn is 6s I checked and he also checked river is Ad
so on board 7s Js 2h 6s Ad giving me King high card flush.
Then opponent raised to 3× pot
What was the right call for me ?
 
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Personally, I would play all-in. It's my personal opinion. I often unreasonable risk. But so I play. And I would not doubt for a second.
 
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I did not go all in but i call his raise and I loose coz he have As Qs.
I was not read his playing strategy. This happens in early stage.
 
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I think you should 3-bet him cuz K high flush i a very good hand
 
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I was in the similar situation some weeks ago at FT. I did a similar play and had a King high flush. After the river my opponent raised 1.5 pot. I reraised him with an allin and he called my bet. He had also a flush but it was an Ace leaded flush. How often could be this happen?
 
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I was in the similar situation some weeks ago at FT. I did a similar play and had a King high flush. After the river my opponent raised 1.5 pot. I reraised him with an allin and he called my bet. He had also a flush but it was an Ace leaded flush. How often could be this happen?

dont think too much its just bad beat...
 
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He raised 3×pot if i reraised it with 3bet its my all in..

definitely it was freeroll. So all-in with flush draw on the flop was good enough to win.
On the other hand, if it was late stage of the tourney, maybe you should not called with K5s in any case! Better lost some and remain in the pot than lost everything.

SO:

- IF LATE STAGE it was mistake

- IF ANY OTHER SITUATION it was bad beat
 
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I do not think that you can moves ALL-IN. But I do not think that you can folds. Your opponent can bet for value with less strong hand. It could be any trips and he hope that eou have Ace. It could be stupid bluff, but in this situation raises have not value. Just coll. And you win very often.
 
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I don't think is bad beat, he has As Qs, he has stronger hand than you since the pre-flop.

I dont like to defending the BB with K5s in the early stage of game, even without the flush you lose for the A high.

In my opinion bad play, defending the BB with K5. Only if you have a lot of information about the villain, and how he play, like if he is a loose player.
 
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as you do not bet the turn, he may have tried to bluff A on the river ... i call
 
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I think it's not a bad call. It would be bad if you raised because you are rarely gonna get called by worse hand.
 
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Nuts and second nuts. I would have played similar.
 
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Depends on if opponent over bets pot as a bluff or for value.

On the river, pot is about 10BBs. So, villain overbets 30BBs. If stacks are super deep (150+ BBs) I might call for info and notes on player. If stacks are med sized, I might fold and wait for a better spot, but keep note of the opponent, how they played, and see if they make similar plays like this in the future. Hopefully, we can a showdown and see if they're capable of overbet bluffing.
 
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Hm i think u play right i would played this similar... ;)
 
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definitely it was freeroll. So all-in with flush draw on the flop was good enough to win.
On the other hand, if it was late stage of the tourney, maybe you should not called with K5s in any case! Better lost some and remain in the pot than lost everything.

SO:

- IF LATE STAGE it was mistake

- IF ANY OTHER SITUATION it was bad beat

Its in early stage. So i can call it a bad beat.
Thank you

I do not think that you can moves ALL-IN. But I do not think that you can folds. Your opponent can bet for value with less strong hand. It could be any trips and he hope that eou have Ace. It could be stupid bluff, but in this situation raises have not value. Just coll. And you win very often.

I also cautious of Ace so I did not reraise his raise .I call that.
Thank you

I don't think is bad beat, he has As Qs, he has stronger hand than you since the pre-flop.

I dont like to defending the BB with K5s in the early stage of game, even without the flush you lose for the A high.

In my opinion bad play, defending the BB with K5. Only if you have a lot of information about the villain, and how he play, like if he is a loose player.

Next time I am not going to defend my BB with these type of card.

Thank you

Depends on if opponent over bets pot as a bluff or for value.

On the river, pot is about 10BBs. So, villain overbets 30BBs. If stacks are super deep (150+ BBs) I might call for info and notes on player. If stacks are med sized, I might fold and wait for a better spot, but keep note of the opponent, how they played, and see if they make similar plays like this in the future. Hopefully, we can a showdown and see if they're capable of overbet bluffing.

Thanks for suggestion. I will start making notes. Hope it will help me .
 
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Just call, you have good enough value by calling 2nd nuts if you win. If you lose, that's poker..Move on!
 
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Very bad play.

Why?

Because Kings are ALWAYS dominated.

Whether this is kicker, or flush, or AK not hitting texture.

I would say not to defend blind unless opponent is loose and stealing.

Overall playing any King especial King with crap kicker whether suited or not as Ace will always win if he has a flush
 
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I was on BB holding Ks 5s
One player raised 2BB
I called and flop 7s Js 2h
He raised half pot i called and turn is 6s I checked and he also checked river is Ad
so on board 7s Js 2h 6s Ad giving me King high card flush.
Then opponent raised to 3× pot
What was the right call for me ?

Check-raise. Why you call on flop, if you fold on river gathering flush.
 
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Three spades on flop, and you made a flush with a king. The only way to lose is if he had As. The chances that this happened were really small.
I would pay all-in. He had the card, but if you fold in situations like that, in long term you will lose money.
 
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Him checking the turn told me he had the flush and felt good about it (so I start thinking face card flush QJ AT AJ JT)

3x the pot is ... better to call than an all in would be. Cuz in that situation you know its either a flush or a jack, and if its a flush you know As hands he may have played are gold (so then you wanna avoid all ins).

Usually I think its ok to call any king high flush except an all in call when its clearly a flush only board.
My guess is his 3x was to suck you into an all in call and he didn't want to risk losing you.

My answer is, look at his earlier behaviours, did he have an A or a Q?
Chances are if he was in early position he had the A, and if he's later he might have either.

Its not necessarily a mistake you made but you can make the decision in a more educated manner.
 
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In that situation I usually just call bet without all in situation.
 
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it all depends on the situation of the tourney and the opponent chips
 
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