theANMATOR
Legend
Bronze Level
For the past week I've experienced MORE shoves on the flop than I think I have ever before in a similar time span. Maybe its because I've been playing on BETOnline a lot more than I have in the past.
Is their some semi-successful pro, turned teacher teaching this flop shove move to players who they have identified as terrible post flop players?
Possibly some popular twitch player has done this in the past to "protect his hand" and now fishy players are utilizing it?
It is 100% telling what they are shoving with. Top pair, or a set. No - not tptk - just top pair. I've made the call on these moves about 25% of the time and have witnessed about 25/75% Ace high bluff/top pair or set. Other times I see Ts and Js shoved on the flop when the flop is scary like A,K,9...... Umm who shoves on that board with Js, with 3 left to act? Yes - we know.
This is really just bad poker. Not only does that player miss out on a ton of value, they are often crushed when anyone left turns over a larger pocket pair or has the top card paired as well with a better kicker.
The player might win that pre-flop pot but unless going against other equally bad post flop players they aren't earning much else and are going to be crushed by better players who see this as the type of bad play it is and can react with logic. Also very easy to play against, unless they are bluffing - which is rare.
The only justification I could come up with this move is - because the fields are filled to the brim with just bad players who will call - and both the shover and the caller(s) are both gamblers. 50/50 I win/loose. Take the shot.
I just can't get this off my mind how terrible this play is. I don't see any reason to make this move - unless short stacked and have a good draw with more than 13 outs with 2 to come, beyond that - the players who do this move MUST just SUCK at post flop play.
Wet or dry board - this makes about as much sense as shoving preflop for 150bbs. And that really brings it all back around. This move is being done by the same level of player who shoves & calls 150+ bb shoves preflop.
This play is a very telling indicator of who are loose fish who can't solve post flop play - usually because they are calling oop and can't figure where they are when bet into with top/middle pair and crappy kickers.
I've seen some good players semi-bluff with this on a flush draw to the NUTs - the plays Ive experienced/witnessed lately are not semi-bluffs. It has been fishy I HAVE TOP PAIR shove!!!
BETOnline seems to have players who think top pair on the flop - is the NUTS. :icon_scra
Or perhaps they are just keenly aware how terrible they are at post-flop play.
I just realized this might be better placed the the rant section, though it's a quite thought provoking strategy discussion regarding tourney play.
Is their some semi-successful pro, turned teacher teaching this flop shove move to players who they have identified as terrible post flop players?
Possibly some popular twitch player has done this in the past to "protect his hand" and now fishy players are utilizing it?
It is 100% telling what they are shoving with. Top pair, or a set. No - not tptk - just top pair. I've made the call on these moves about 25% of the time and have witnessed about 25/75% Ace high bluff/top pair or set. Other times I see Ts and Js shoved on the flop when the flop is scary like A,K,9...... Umm who shoves on that board with Js, with 3 left to act? Yes - we know.
This is really just bad poker. Not only does that player miss out on a ton of value, they are often crushed when anyone left turns over a larger pocket pair or has the top card paired as well with a better kicker.
The player might win that pre-flop pot but unless going against other equally bad post flop players they aren't earning much else and are going to be crushed by better players who see this as the type of bad play it is and can react with logic. Also very easy to play against, unless they are bluffing - which is rare.
The only justification I could come up with this move is - because the fields are filled to the brim with just bad players who will call - and both the shover and the caller(s) are both gamblers. 50/50 I win/loose. Take the shot.
I just can't get this off my mind how terrible this play is. I don't see any reason to make this move - unless short stacked and have a good draw with more than 13 outs with 2 to come, beyond that - the players who do this move MUST just SUCK at post flop play.
Wet or dry board - this makes about as much sense as shoving preflop for 150bbs. And that really brings it all back around. This move is being done by the same level of player who shoves & calls 150+ bb shoves preflop.
This play is a very telling indicator of who are loose fish who can't solve post flop play - usually because they are calling oop and can't figure where they are when bet into with top/middle pair and crappy kickers.
I've seen some good players semi-bluff with this on a flush draw to the NUTs - the plays Ive experienced/witnessed lately are not semi-bluffs. It has been fishy I HAVE TOP PAIR shove!!!
BETOnline seems to have players who think top pair on the flop - is the NUTS. :icon_scra
Or perhaps they are just keenly aware how terrible they are at post-flop play.
I just realized this might be better placed the the rant section, though it's a quite thought provoking strategy discussion regarding tourney play.
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