Flipout tournaments

Salvete777

Salvete777

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 13, 2013
Total posts
200
Chips
0
I'd like to know what's your thoughts about flipout tournaments?
That's good choice to play these or not?
 
rytciaq

rytciaq

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 3, 2014
Total posts
566
Chips
0
1.Do not have any positive thoughts about flipout tourneys.
2. Absolutely no.

It's pretty easy to understand that these tournaments are the tournaments you want to avoid. Everybody plays what they want though :s
 
P

poltax

Rising Star
Silver Level
Joined
May 24, 2010
Total posts
24
Chips
0
stay out of this tournaments
it has nothing to do with poker
you better play the lotto
 
L

locha2013

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 25, 2013
Total posts
289
Chips
0
I don't think that flipout tournements are a good choice, because they are absolutely not interesting when you want to play with skills. Also the chance isn't high enough to win some money, because of the lack of decisions.
 
T

trent32la

Legend
Bronze Level
Joined
Jun 12, 2013
Total posts
2,852
Awards
1
Chips
0
I cannot play on fulltilt as I am in the US however when I heard about these I completely disagreed with them...overall I would never recommend them as it completely takes away from early and mid stage MTT play aswell as bubble play...your pretty much picking 6 lotto numbers and you have to hit 1 to move on...in this case your chances of moving on would be very unfavorable...its best to play regular MTTs where everyone gets the same starting stack and everyone has to do the same thing to cash...flipout tourneys you have no control over it...
 
S

sslater

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Total posts
51
Awards
1
Chips
2
These tournaments or do not consider poker,thet is roulette only.
 
J

joe777

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
May 3, 2014
Total posts
2,694
Chips
0
I dont even understand how the flipout tournament is related to poker.You only got 10 percent chances to go to the next level.So my remark are negative on this one.Poker should involve skill not just luck.
 
Salvete777

Salvete777

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 13, 2013
Total posts
200
Chips
0
How I see almost every is talking about these flipout tournaments where all the time players is going all-in. But what about them, where flipout is just in first round (1x flipout and then with stack 9xstarting stack start playing normal poker)?
 
GAbbAR

GAbbAR

Enthusiast
Bronze Level
Joined
Mar 19, 2011
Total posts
25
Awards
1
Chips
9
but 1 in 9 chance to play normally. i get 1 2.20 omaha ticket :D
 
loafes

loafes

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 16, 2013
Total posts
1,049
Chips
0
Well from a roi perspective these aren't a great idea. You have only a 1-9 chance of just getting to the next round (though I think you're already item after that round.) In regular formats you are going to still have to win a number of flips, but you're still going to do better than 1-9 even accounting for 2-3 flips.

Having said that however, these do have value in terms of time investment which should increase you're hourly. It really depends on how much play there will still be after the first round and how much you still have to play for which will determine you're edge and likely roi.

I actually think they aren't that bad. But you should still choose different formats when comparing. If there will still be enough play after the first round they could still be +EV in which case playing them along with other tourneys as part of a regular schedule or during a series or whatever can still be worth it. It really depends on how much play follows round 1.

These are probably good option for recreational players who get bored easily or want to play for alot of money with having to go through the hours upon hours of play as in regular tourneys. Remember afterall, it's your late game in tournaments where most of your money/roi comes from. Since these jump straight into late game play I don't think they are as bad as all the other posters seem to think.
 
loafes

loafes

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 16, 2013
Total posts
1,049
Chips
0
In fact come think of it, these might not be such a bad idea at all if the rounds after the flip play quite slow and deep stacked.

Think about it, in a regular tourney you start out with deep stacks and a lot of play right in the beginning when we aren't really playing for much. Then later as the tourney progresses, stacks become much shallower and luck becomes a big factor even though it's at this point that we are actually playing for all the money.
If these have slow levels after round 1 then it could be useful to get the flipping/luck out of the way in the beggining then when we are playing for the real money in other words when our edge matters most it's deep stacks again.

I believe 888 has something similar being trialed where starting stacks are super shallow at the very start but the levels are super long. With the idea that you have to gamble right away but then as we get into the late game where the real money is made, the stacks are nice and deep for longer thus more skill is required.
 
SeaRun

SeaRun

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 26, 2014
Total posts
697
Chips
0
I played a few of these when I first went to FTP, all small ones. Won a couple and ITM in a couple of more and basically up decent on ROI. However, the big win came when I won a seat on a $5.50 one in a $1.10 Satty and binked it (screen shots below).

The thing with these is yes, it's a flip to get past 1st round, but it's the same for every other player in there. Once you do get past the "flip" part, play is pretty soft, and with the now deep stack format, a nice combination of skill and patience you're going to get paid off good quite often. (Loafes is right BTW, you're ITM once you're past 1st round.) I will say that I can see variance being a beeotch in these

bbTKPO8.jpg


AFvK3Yi.jpg


So basically, to each their own. If you don't like 'em, don't play 'em, simple as that.

If anyone wants to know why I haven't played more since that, it's because I just don't like the FTP interface. The graphics drive me insane (don't know why) and play IS TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
 
TeUnit

TeUnit

Legend
Loyaler
Joined
Jan 20, 2009
Total posts
4,734
Awards
14
Chips
77
the rake seems brutal to me when you think about sustainable rois
 
Jacki Burkhart

Jacki Burkhart

long winded rambler...
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 12, 2013
Total posts
2,960
Awards
6
Chips
0
I don't think I would like them, which is OK since they aren't an option to me in the US anyways.

But I would think that the times that you DO make it to the next round the field will be much softer than a usual MTT at the same stage. (in a normal MTT the majority of the fish have been eliminated so you are fighting for the big money with the other good players).
 
Jacki Burkhart

Jacki Burkhart

long winded rambler...
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 12, 2013
Total posts
2,960
Awards
6
Chips
0
In fact come think of it, these might not be such a bad idea at all if the rounds after the flip play quite slow and deep stacked.

Think about it, in a regular tourney you start out with deep stacks and a lot of play right in the beginning when we aren't really playing for much. Then later as the tourney progresses, stacks become much shallower and luck becomes a big factor even though it's at this point that we are actually playing for all the money.
If these have slow levels after round 1 then it could be useful to get the flipping/luck out of the way in the beggining then when we are playing for the real money in other words when our edge matters most it's deep stacks again.

I believe 888 has something similar being trialed where starting stacks are super shallow at the very start but the levels are super long. With the idea that you have to gamble right away but then as we get into the late game where the real money is made, the stacks are nice and deep for longer thus more skill is required.

Actually, great points that I had never considered, loafes! It is quite annoying to play solid poker for hours only to lose in a stupid flip when it matters most.

Maybe I WOULD like to reverse that order...get the flips over with in the beginning when I've invested little time...
 
A

aznman08

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 17, 2007
Total posts
357
Chips
0
Actually, great points that I had never considered, loafes! It is quite annoying to play solid poker for hours only to lose in a stupid flip when it matters most.

Maybe I WOULD like to reverse that order...get the flips over with in the beginning when I've invested little time...

Maybe this is why some live tournament series have an All-in or Fold tournament format.
 
M

misko

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 4, 2014
Total posts
239
Chips
0
If the flipout tournament are freeroll i play,if not i dont play its a loterie not tournament.
 
supermoto

supermoto

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
May 16, 2014
Total posts
810
Chips
0
especially for me this type of tournament is pure luck you have no control of the game going all in with all cards with but it is a quick way to get money is the only thing
 
M

misko

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 4, 2014
Total posts
239
Chips
0
This is not the way to get money quickly is the way to loose money quickly.Like i say for me flip tournament are pure loterie.You dont need any skiil only luck...
 
H

hffjd2000

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 6, 2014
Total posts
2,329
Chips
0
Flip tourneys are those with so little time.

It will revert back to normal poker if number of places paid is met.

Meaning, you have to be very lucky at the selection/beginning phase.
 
D

DrStrange

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 11, 2014
Total posts
49
Chips
0
Well my luck sucks so I would recommend you stay clear of these.

they are basically luck only. If you hit the hole cards.. hit the board you go through.. otherwise it's bye-bye.

playing real money flipout is just ridiculous.. if you're playing FTP/FPP it's understandable and you might hit something.. otherwise it's a big no.

I'll take a 1000 player MTT tourney over a 81 player flipout anyday..
 
Top